Is Being Against Tatoos the Law?

[jasoncran]

if you are wearing a cross and know your friend doesn't want to hear or talk about it. it can be taken as offensive. kinda like If I know someone is hard and doesn't like the gospel preaching I listen too. I simply wont play it around him. I don't believe in forcing jesus on others.of course within reason. im not for the removal of Christian icons. with tats this is a grey area

 

[farouk]

if you are wearing a cross and know your friend doesn't want to hear or talk about it. it can be taken as offensive. kinda like If I know someone is hard and doesn't like the gospel preaching I listen too. I simply wont play it around him. I don't believe in forcing jesus on others.of course within reason. im not for the removal of Christian icons. with tats this is a grey area

Like for example, if people know I am a Christian and don't like it, then this is more a problem for them than for me; they don't have to be around me if they don't want to. But I hope I show myself friendly to them. Like, I wear a Canadian maple leaf often. If Canada's flag is somehow offensive to them, then it's their problem, not mine; although most people don't tend to dislike Canadians; or at least, being offended at the fact that someone is a Canadian isn't a rational reaction that Canadians should be expected to try to mask or duck from.

I guess there is a similarity.

I'm sure you have your way of figuring how to relate to people.

Blessings.

PS: This is why I don't find a faith based tattoo inherently blameworthy; in fact, God may well honor the motive behind it.

 

[jasoncran]

well that's akin to me going to my jewish family and showing them the cross and wonder why they don't let me over. im not saying we should cower but be reasonable. a tattoo is in ones face . I wouldn't want to wear a star of david tattoo and go to Afghanistan.

 

[farouk]

well that's akin to me going to my jewish family and showing them the cross and wonder why they don't let me over. im not saying we should cower but be reasonable. a tattoo is in ones face . I wouldn't want to wear a star of david tattoo and go to Afghanistan.

All witness needs to be wise, yes.

A tattooed secretary in an office may rejoice to have a Christian fish sign on her arm, for example, though in office hours she may wish to cover it.

Showing faith based tattoos may depend a lot on context and occasion.

So in some ways I don't disagree.

Blessings.

 

[jasoncran]

I know that could causes issues in the army, but we have gone around in circles. we wont agree so im bowing out.

 

[farouk]

I know that could causes issues in the army, but we have gone around in circles. we wont agree so im bowing out.

Well, fine, and thanks for your comments; I guess army and covered in offices are apples and oranges..

Blessings.

 

[jasoncran]

no,lol I just know how stupid people can be in the army with that. they have regs on when its ok to share the faith. ie its ok when working but so long as you are working. sadly that had to be even made into a reg!

 

[farouk]

no,lol I just know how stupid people can be in the army with that. they have regs on when its ok to share the faith. ie its ok when working but so long as you are working. sadly that had to be even made into a reg!

Well of course you would know more about this than me.

I guess some people when getting tattoos, whether faith based or not, don't anticipate being restricted by regulations anyway.

E.g,:

Well, at age 17, my son wanted a tattoo....being that I have "ONE"..I sat my son down and we talked....I got my first tattoo when I was 46..I along with my father who at the time was 71 and my three sisters all got our first tattoo together...we all got a family tattoo. And just this past year, ..my 71 year old mother got one .. I told him that if he did get a tattoo, that I would not only go along with him, but I would also pay for it under one condition...that I had to approve of the tattoo...his design was a cross with a banner on it ..How could I not approve?

My 17 year old daughter has one and I went with her to get it done it is a nice one . I did not think I would ever get one but I did and its rather nice.​

christian hyphen tattoos dot com ​

 

[jasoncran]

the mp instructors have told a soldier to cover a tat in the mp course. it was a hate based one.

 

[farouk]

the mp instructors have told a soldier to cover a tat in the mp course. it was a hate based one.

Well, okay.

I guess the folk in the quotes in my previous post aren't in the military anyway.

Blessings.

 

[farouk]

Okay so this Christian mom has her own perspective on faith based tattoos.

For myself, when it comes to teens, I would probably be just a bit cautious to make sure the young person really wanted it, but this Christian mom makes some interesting points, in any case:

‘Why Your Teenager Should Get a Tattoo’, by Dahloan Hembree

I am pretty normal and conservative, but .. I believe that allowing your teenager to get a tattoo is helping them. ..
1) Helps teenagers get over loss. .. also .. to ' keep in touch' with someone ..perhaps a Father.. .
2) Covers a noticeable scar. .. The tattoo parlor I took my daughter too, Jimmy's Ink ..even had a page with tattoos of before with scars, and after ..
3) Teaches responsibility. .. One friend of mine made her daughter get straight A's .. in order to get the tattoo. ..As for our daughter, all she had to do was turn 16. ..
4) Art expression. My daughter .. attended a performing arts high school .. has..friends that created their own .. design.. then took the design ..and were then ' inked'.
5) Expression of religious faith. .. our daughter .. decided on a heart with an anchor in it. ..Hebrews 6:19 .. says "We have this hope as an anchor for the soul, firm and secure." ..
..if you are on the fence as to whether you should let your child get a tattoo, maybe one of the reasons here will help you make your decision.

http://voices.yahoo.com/why-teenager-tattoo-4169423.html

 

[farouk]

PS: These arguments (above article extract) wouldn't necessarily be mine. Like I said, I would be a bit cautious; the young person ought to understand that tattoo removal can be difficult; and they would need to be strongly committed to a particular design.

But it's interesting that this Christian mom has found various reasons in favor for her daughter getting a faith based tattoo.

Blessings.

 

[farouk]

... a tattoo is in ones face .....

Well, I guess it depends on the circumstances whether to cover it or not.

For example, someone doing street evangelism in Las Vagas would probably want to be just a bit 'in your face' because it's that sort of town...

 

[jasoncran]

Well, I guess it depends on the circumstances whether to cover it or not.

For example, someone doing street evangelism in Las Vagas would probably want to be just a bit 'in your face' because it's that sort of town...

farouk. im done debating this.

 

[Sparkey]

Farouk is known as being an active proponent of such things. The selected quotes are those that have been made that reflect his view. Of course, all views are welcome, even those views that are unpopular but biblical. I am certain that farouk and others here will readily agree that views that consider the conscience of a weaker brother and the responsibility of the stronger brother (and sister) are as valid as the ones that seek to resolve it by saying, it's between God and me. The issue is between God and us, and the amount of light that each person has is also considered. It's about relationship, and if it is Christlike, it's also about denying self and consideration of God in all things.

Enuf said.

 

[Rollo Tamasi]

I think tatoos are against the Law and no one should have one.
Did I say that 10 times before?

 

[farouk]

Farouk is known as being an active proponent of such things. The selected quotes are those that have been made that reflect his view. Of course, all views are welcome, even those views that are unpopular but biblical. I am certain that farouk and others here will readily agree that views that consider the conscience of a weaker brother and the responsibility of the stronger brother (and sister) are as valid as the ones that seek to resolve it by saying, it's between God and me. The issue is between God and us, and the amount of light that each person has is also considered. It's about relationship, and if it is Christlike, it's also about denying self and consideration of God in all things.

Enuf said.

I certainly agree that there is an element where some people might be legitimately offended against something. This I can see from one particular angle.

On the other hand, there is also the perspective that if something is just so effective as a communication means in testimony, then it would be a pity if a whole range of witness opportunities were lost, simply because one or two people might want to exercise a veto from a conservative perspective.

So I can see it from more than one angle.

Blessings.

Blessings.

 

[Sparkey]

farouk, I don't want to change your mind. That's not up to me. But when it comes to dominating a conversation about tats, I'll take my hat off to you, as long as it is not my "mod" hat that is removed. Moderation means just that. Tempered and moderate. It is perfectly acceptable to consider the whole counsel of God on the matter and of this I am sure you will agree.

I am also certain that you are not even suggesting that the Whole Word of God (including the parts that you seem to disagree with) is something that can be decided on by a majority vote, that's too preposterous, now isn't it? I would thank you in advance for not replying to me while saying things that could characterize my thought as (quote) "one or two people [who] might want to exercise a veto from a conservative perspective."

Clear communication is also a part of a moderate reply as you well know. Kindly refer to my actual statement, repeated here for clarity:

I am certain that farouk and others here will readily agree that views that consider the conscience of a weaker brother and the responsibility of the stronger brother (and sister) are as valid as the ones that seek to resolve it by saying, it's between God and me. The issue is between God and us, and the amount of light that each person has is also considered. It's about relationship, and if it is Christlike, it's also about denying self and consideration of God in all things.​

~SparrowHawke

 

[farouk]

farouk, I don't want to change your mind. That's not up to me. But when it comes to dominating a conversation about tats, I'll take my hat off to you, as long as it is not my "mod" hat that is removed. Moderation means just that. Tempered and moderate. It is perfectly acceptable to consider the whole counsel of God on the matter and of this I am sure you will agree.

I am also certain that you are not even suggesting that the Whole Word of God is something that can be decided on by a majority vote, that's too preposterous, now isn't it?

The way you put it, I can't disagree.

But let's look at it from another perspective.

If, say, an evangelist is being manifestly blessed in his ministry, and has been for a long time, and then one or two dear folk come along and say that the evangelist isn't always being as culturally sensitive as he should be, or something like that; then: does this nullify the evangelist's whole ministry? should his ministry just grind to a halt, 'in case' someone is, or might be, offended?

I think one has to look at it all from the vantage point of a broad perspective, assuming also that there is likely to be a diversity of opinions and tastes.

Blessings.

 

[Sparkey]

I am glad that you can not disagree and that you admit that so freely. I would like to ask you to allow me to moderate this conversation somewhat. I'm almost afraid to ask, because it may be something that you are not capable of, and if that is the case, please do forgive me. Moderate includes allowing others (yielding) to steer the conversation and to direct it. No, I'm not going to use force. That's not me. Still, I do not want to see this productive and energetic difference of opinion and viewpoint devolve as so many of the "chats" here do.

I do appreciate your view, that some things may be considered with GRACE, meaning UNMERITED FAVOR, and I am unwilling to absolutely insist that the whole counsel of God (including the parts you would rather were never said) be taken into consideration at this very moment and right now and all that. No. That's not grace. And that, my friend (I call you this in all sincerity) simply will not do.

So to you goes something that I also need. It's called longsuffering. But I don't like that word because I'm clumsy and heavy handed and you don't need it from me, I need it from God. That's my big deal. I do bend my knee and do resolve to go to extremes in showing, actively showing, my love for you, farouk. You are one of the most welcoming members I know. I'm not making this up and I have nothing more to say about it.

In Christ, the blessing you ask for me, is reflected and I hope, empowered unto you.

~Sparrow