Thread: End Time? Which Class Are You IN??

Elijah here:
This below is the 'End Time' present day message! I will just post it in part, you can read it as you desire? Eccl. 3:15 finds the repeat. And verse 5-6 finds the Rev. 17:1-5 + Rev. 3:16-17 ones doing the persecution. (ex/spiritual Israel) Yet note, it was not verbal individual, but the message given which had the rejection of Christ by these ones! And if so, verse 15 tells how the ones sent fair in the final Judgement + all these others as a Church. (Virgin one!) Even far the worse than that of S. & G. + like cities! And again note who it was that [was attacking the messenger, & not the Message!] Verse 25 tell's us who it is that are of satan!

Matt.10
[5] These twelve Jesus sent forth, and commanded them, saying, Go not into the way of the Gentiles, and into any city of the Samaritans [enter ye not:]
[6] But go rather to [the lost sheep of the house] of Israel.

[7] And as ye go, preach, saying, [The kingdom of heaven is at hand.]

[14] And [whosoever shall not receive you, nor hear your words,] when ye depart out of that house or city, shake off the dust of your feet.
[15] Verily [I say unto you, It shall be more tolerable for the land of Sodom and Gomorrha in the day of judgment, than for that city.]

[16] Behold, I send you forth as sheep [in the midst of wolves:] be ye therefore wise as serpents, and harmless as doves.
[17] But beware of men: [for they will deliver you up to the councils, and they will scourge you in their synagogues;]

[18] And [ye shall be brought before governors and kings for my sake, for a testimony against them and the Gentiles.]

[19] But when they deliver you up, take no thought how or what ye shall speak: for it shall be given you in that same hour what ye shall speak.
[20] For it is not ye that speak, [but the Spirit of your Father which speaketh in you].

[21] And the brother shall deliver up the brother to death, and the father the child: and the children shall rise up against their parents, and [cause them to be put to death.]
[22] And ye shall be hated of [all men for my name's sake:] but he that endureth [to the end] shall be saved.

[23] But when they persecute you in this city, flee ye into another: for verily I say unto you, Ye shall not have gone over the cities of Israel, [till the Son of man be come.]
(and Christ was already there Speaking! Eccl. 3:15's Furture END TIME PROPHECY)

[24] The disciple [is not above his master], nor the servant above his lord.

[25] [[It is enough for the disciple that he be as his master, and the servant as his lord. If they have called the master of the house Beelzebub, how much more shall they call them of his household?]]

[26] Fear them not therefore: [for there is nothing covered, that shall not be revealed; and hid, that shall not be known].

[27] What [I tell you in darkness, that speak ye in light: and what ye hear in the ear, that preach ye upon the housetops.]

[28] And fear not them which kill the body, but are not able to kill the soul: [but rather fear him which is able to destroy both soul and body in hell.]

OK: Which side are you on at present? LOVE you say?????? Who LOVES WHOM HERE? Personal ATTACTS CAME FROM WHO! WAKE/UP! And by the way, this IS the answer given to the 12 from Matt. 25's [ALL SLEEPING] Virgins! Christ explains all Parables to His diciples. Mark 4:33-34. And which attacking class are you'ins in?

--Elijah

Christ also gave that Message of His servants being delivered up to councils and synagogues to give a Testimony for Him, within the seven signs of the end per Matthew 24 and Mark 13. That is especially for the tribulation timing, giving that witness for Him during the great tribulation.

So I'm planning on going through the tribulation with The Gospel Armour on to give that Witness by The Holy Spirit. We are not to fear those who can kill our flesh body, but not our soul, but fear Him Who can destroy both body and soul in the lake of fire at the end of Christ's future thousand years reign. The end of this world prior to Christ's coming is a time to be strong in the Faith, not wavering.

Originally Posted by veteran

Christ also gave that Message of His servants being delivered up to councils and synagogues to give a Testimony for Him, within the seven signs of the end per Matthew 24 and Mark 13. That is especially for the tribulation timing, giving that witness for Him during the great tribulation.

So I'm planning on going through the tribulation with The Gospel Armour on to give that Witness by The Holy Spirit. We are not to fear those who can kill our flesh body, but not our soul, but fear Him Who can destroy both body and soul in the lake of fire at the end of Christ's future thousand years reign. The end of this world prior to Christ's coming is a time to be strong in the Faith, not wavering.

Surely God agrees with that, huh?

Subject: --HISTORY REPEAT! Just a thought: Elijah here.
If one cannot follow God's quoted Truth of Eccl. 1:9-10 & Eccl. 3:15 as the Word of God, stated CLEARLY, and in a way that even most of Heb. 5's 'milkfed' ones can even get something from. I suggest that you shy away from Ph.D'ism, the arm of flesh & the Greek, Latin, & Heb., & stick with just one King James translation itself.

The BOTTOM line is, is that ALL of these others ways of finding 'some' truth, are the real reasons that have caused the BIGGEST MESS OF DIS/UNITY that the GOSPEL ALONE prophesied of! See Rev. 17:1-5

And I realize that there are & were some who could not understand Paul's wording of inspiration & that it is scripture that also says that.... 'which they that are unlearned and unstable wrest, as they do also the other scriptures, unto their own destruction'. 2 Peter 3:14-17 in part.

Forum: Lets start with Eccl. 3:14.
"I know that, WHATSOEVER GOD DOETH, IT SHALL BE FOREVER: NOTHING CAN BE PUT TO IT, NOR ANY THING TAKEN FROM IT: ..." (in part)
Actually it is just about a repeat even in Wording, as seen in Rev.'s closing verses!
The verses are a WARNING about adding to or removing any part of the Word of God! And the BOTTOM line is that ones name would be removed from the Book of Life. Now for the rest of the 14th verse. "... THAT MEN SHOULD FEAR BEFORE HIM."

For one to say that the Eccl. verses do not mean what they say, is doing just that!

Now look at the verse following verse 14. Verse 15 says.. "THAT WHICH HAS BEEN IS NOW; AND THAT WHICH IS TO BE HAS ALREADY BEEN; AND GOD REQUIRETH THAT WHICH IS PAST." GOD'S WORD says that it is so!

Take note: If it is not to be, God say that it will not be. Example: 'Sin will not arise a second time' Nah. 1:9. And we all know about the world flood not happening a second time? So, there are so very few times that history does not repeat, and that God does the easy thing for [us] by pointing out the lesser number. (by the way, Rev. is full of O.T. Sanctuary! see Ps. 77:13)

If anyone would BELIEVE THE *GODHEAD'S INSPIRED WORD (ALL OF IT! See 2 Tim. 3:16 & Matt. 4:4) they would find Few reasons for mixed up doctrinal folds.
But the bottom line is that even the Virgin Fold is going after the fate of Virgin Israel of old!! (same history) They are once again Christ/less. See Rev. 3:9 or Rev. 17:5! And the nasty repeat for them is VERIFIED in Eze. 9.
Try reading Rev. 12:17 S-L-O-W-L-E-Y! And in Christ's day, who do you think took over the 'DESOLATE' fold that Christ was put out of? It was Christ that stated that 'Your house (fold) is left unto you DESOLATE'. Matt. 23:38.

So, this is what will be the final fate of Spiritual Virgin Israel! (the 666 thing'y is for the world's testing) See 1 Peter 4:17 FOR WHO IS JUDGED FIRST.

Back to Chapter 1:9-10 of Eccl. Lets check to 'see' (if we can) if God made a mistake? (man's foolish 'poetry' remark)

We do remember that we were told that 'IT SHALL BE FOR EVER and that NOTHING CAN BE PUT TO IT NOR ANYTHING TAKEN FROM IT.' (chapter 3:14-15)

"THE THING THAT HATH BEEN IS THAT WHICH SHALL BE; AND THAT WHICH IS DONE IS THAT WHICH SHALL BE DONE: AND THERE IS (NOTHING) *NO NEW THING UNDER THE SUN. v.9
IS THERE [*ANY THING] WHERE OF IT MAY BE SAID, SEE, THIS IS NEW? [IT HATH BEEN ALREADY OF OLD TIME, WHICH WAS BEFORE US.]" v.10

Notice that after the GodHead's question, that Their Inspiration came quickly before 'ignorant' man could botch up the question!! But what does one hear today?? Should we do the 'foolish' (Matt. 25) thing and read & study the 'earthly' educated ones reams & reams of commentaries, with hardly any two alike?? (false fold/wise at least)

Lets just add another 'documented' fact here with these two verses.
In Gen. 41:32 the Lord gave Pharaoh a vision 'TWICE'. (remember now, that we see TWICE at least in the Eccl. 1:9-10 & Eccl. 3:15 that history is to be repeated) Also note that God has 'inspired' this thought ... "And for that the dream was [doubled] unto Pharaoh [twice]; it is [because the thing is established by God], and God will shortly bring it to pass.

So bottom line: If you want to know Truth, find it in the past history for the furture history to be! All the way from the 666 test to where God 'tested' His own in the past before they were to enter the land of their Canaan. And the crucifixion of Christ a second time? See Heb. 6:6! And again.. which class are you in?

So understanding in God's Word doesn't involve disciplined Bible study and knowledge of the Bible languages?

What it appears you're into is MYSTICISM, using God's Word as some mysterious cycle of numerology system or Bible Code, instead of understanding with simplicity like God showed in Isaiah 28 with line upon line, precept upon precept, here a little and there a little.

Isa 28:9-13
9 Whom shall He teach knowledge? and whom shall He make to understand doctrine? them that are weaned from the milk, and drawn from the breasts.
10 For precept must be upon precept, precept upon precept; line upon line, line upon line; here a little, and there a little:
11 For with stammering lips and another tongue will he speak to this people.
12 To whom He said, This is the rest wherewith ye may cause the weary to rest; and this is the refreshing: yet they would not hear.
13 But the word of the LORD was unto them precept upon precept, precept upon precept; line upon line, line upon line; here a little, and there a little; that they might go, and fall backward, and be broken, and snared, and taken.
(KJV)

That Isaiah 28 passage won't be properly understood without going back into the Hebrew to discover that God is saying that like a song to those who refuse to study His Word in that fashion. Instead, to those who refuse, the idea of line upon line, precept upon precept... study is too boring and simplistic. And for that reason His Word becomes a trap to them, that they might fall backward, and be broken, and snared, and taken.

This is why Apostle Paul told Timothy this...

2 Tim 2:15
15 Study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth.
(KJV)

Can't become a "workman" in God's Word without first studying It line upon line, precept upon precept... That's also how we learn to rightly divide The Word of Truth. But it's obvious many aren't doing that today, but are instead playing Russian roulette with God's Word, a verse here and a verse there, never coming to real understanding in It.

I think that you are talking to me? (not the Inspiration) What was the verse of DOCUMENTED INSPIRATION that bothered the Isa. 28:8-10 ones?? Surely it does reveal which class some of these 'full of vomit' ones are in!

--Elijah

End Time?

Using Only the New Testament of the Word of God, what is the answer for these next two issues? (never/mind Matt. 4:4 yet) Most use only the New Testament teaching while most all else is tossed.. at least most of it.

Matt. 24:14 has the time placement for Christ's Second Coming!
[12] And because iniquity shall abound, the love of many shall wax cold. ( Rev. 3:16-17)
[13] But he that shall [endure unto the end, the same shall be saved.]
[14] And [this gospel] of the kingdom shall be preached in all the world for a witness unto all nations; and [then shall the end come].
OK: That is the Word of our Master. The date or time period was around AD 33 when stated. That is fact with hardly any wiggle/room!
Now we will see over in Rom. in AD 60 nearly 30 years in the future more Inspiration from Christ's Word. (John 1:1-4 + 11-14)

Rom. 10
[17] So then faith cometh by hearing, and hearing [by the word of God.] (what had they heard from Christ's Word?)
[18] But I say, Have they not heard? [Yes verily, their sound went into all the earth, and their words unto the ends of the world.]

Do you BELIEVE that? If so, what do you do with Christ [DOCUMENTED TRUTH] of Matt. 24:14? And sure, most will run to Jer. 17:5's Arm of Flesh, the ones who do not know the answer for this reason that Christ's Prophesy is 'still' not understood, & for answers from those ones who do not know either!! (it is kind of like Peter's 3 Time Vision with the today ones [still] teaching satan's junk!)

Maybe Paul penned it wrong, huh? THINK!!! If you were about thirty years past Christ's Words of COMING BACK AGAIN, & then you heard Paul with this truth... what kind of a 2 Thess. 2:1-3 'shaking' would that catch you in?? (and remember God's WORD of Eccl. 3:15 for a 'Shaking' or 'falling away'!) one would most likely say that Christ was a false Christ... or toss out Paul, huh?

OK: Lets check Paul's pen again for clarity. In Col. 1
[23] [If ye continue in the faith grounded and settled], and be not moved away from the hope of the gospel, which ye have heard, and [which was preached to every creature which is under heaven; ]whereof I Paul am made a minister;

Now: With Christ's Words being BELIEVED from His [WORD] on, until Paul's Documentation of this above, where does that leave you?? Christ also stated that.. [If it were possible] it would DECEIVE THE VERY ELECT! Is that you? can you or anyone else answer this truth of why Christ did not come in Paul's day?

--Elijah

If I lived in Judea,I might be deliverd into a synagogue to be scorged.But since I dont and I dont intend to go there,Im not worried about it.
There was a time when I thought the world revolved around myself.I even had the gall to think verses such as this was all about me.I woke up one day and learned the true meaning of such verses was exacly what Jesus said.It wasnt all about me,it was about someone else.

You will never learn untill you listen.Its not all about you.

HELLO! (anyone out there?)

Me again:
Surely there is one at least here who knows why Christ & Paul are thought to be in disagreement with the below verses?? Or do we just toss out Truth because we run into a rock & a hard place?

Originally Posted by Elijah674

End Time?

Using Only the New Testament of the Word of God, what is the answer for these next two issues? (never/mind Matt. 4:4 yet) Most use only the New Testament teaching while most all else is tossed.. at least most of it.

Matt. 24:14 has the time placement for Christ's Second Coming!
[12] And because iniquity shall abound, the love of many shall wax cold. ( Rev. 3:16-17)
[13] But he that shall [endure unto the end, the same shall be saved.]
[14] And [this gospel] of the kingdom shall be preached in all the world for a witness unto all nations; and [then shall the end come].
OK: That is the Word of our Master. The date or time period was around AD 33 when stated. That is fact with hardly any wiggle/room!
Now we will see over in Rom. in AD 60 nearly 30 years in the future more Inspiration from Christ's Word. (John 1:1-4 + 11-14)

Rom. 10
[17] So then faith cometh by hearing, and hearing [by the word of God.] (what had they heard from Christ's Word?)
[18] But I say, Have they not heard? [Yes verily, their sound went into all the earth, and their words unto the ends of the world.]

Do you BELIEVE that? If so, what do you do with Christ [DOCUMENTED TRUTH] of Matt. 24:14? And sure, most will run to Jer. 17:5's Arm of Flesh, the ones who do not know the answer for this reason that Christ's Prophesy is 'still' not understood, & for answers from those ones who do not know either!! (it is kind of like Peter's 3 Time Vision with the today ones [still] teaching satan's junk!)

Maybe Paul penned it wrong, huh? THINK!!! If you were about thirty years past Christ's Words of COMING BACK AGAIN, & then you heard Paul with this truth... what kind of a 2 Thess. 2:1-3 'shaking' would that catch you in?? (and remember God's WORD of Eccl. 3:15 for a 'Shaking' or 'falling away'!) one would most likely say that Christ was a false Christ... or toss out Paul, huh?

OK: Lets check Paul's pen again for clarity. In Col. 1
[23] [If ye continue in the faith grounded and settled], and be not moved away from the hope of the gospel, which ye have heard, and [which was preached to every creature which is under heaven; ]whereof I Paul am made a minister;

Now: With Christ's Words being BELIEVED from His [WORD] on, until Paul's Documentation of this above, where does that leave you?? Christ also stated that.. [If it were possible] it would DECEIVE THE VERY ELECT! Is that you? can you or anyone else answer this truth of why Christ did not come in Paul's day?

--Elijah