Thread: Who is the He in Daniel 9:27?

Who do you think that the "HE" is in Daniel 9:27?

Daniel 9:27
And He shall confirm the covenant with many for one week: and in the midst of the week He shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease, and for the overspreading of abominations He shall make it desolate, even until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate.

I believe most Christians think that the He is the anti-christ. I'm more of the opinion that the HE is Jesus Christ, Himself.

Originally Posted by Logos57

Who do you think that the "HE" is in Daniel 9:27?

Daniel 9:27
And He shall confirm the covenant with many for one week: and in the midst of the week He shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease, and for the overspreading of abominations He shall make it desolate, even until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate.

I believe most Christians think that the He is the anti-christ. I'm more of the opinion that the HE is Jesus Christ, Himself.

Thanks Logos57,

As you indicate, you probably represent a minority opinion.

I’m sure you have reasons for your opinion, although you did not give any; so, would you, please, answer the following questions (in relation to Daniel 9: 27 – bold print) so we may understand your method of reasoning?

BTW: Have you had an opportunity to study the other Christian Forum topic with nearly the exact heading as this one?

Here are the questions:

And he: Why do you assume “he” is Jesus?

shall confirm: What does “confirm” mean?

the covenant: Which covenant?

with many: Who are “the many”?

for one week: What is a “week”?

and in the midst of the week: “What is meant by “the midst”?

he: Is this “he” also Jesus?

shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease: How does he “cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease”?

and for the overspreading of abominations: What does this mean?

he: Is this “he” still Jesus?

shall make it desolate: What is made desolate, and what is meant by desolate?

even until the consummation: What is meant by “consummation?”

and that determined: What is determined?

shall be poured: What is meant by “poured”?

upon the desolate: What is “the desolate?”

Thank you for taking the time to clarify your method.

Wth apologies this will be a long answer.
Daniel 9:26-27
26) And after threescore and and two weeks shall Messiah be cut off, but not for Himself: and the people of the prince that shall come shall destroy the city and the sanctuary; and the end thereof shall be with a flood, and unto the war desolations are determined.
27) And He shall confirm the covenant with many for one week: and in the midst of the week He shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease, and for the overspreading of abominations He shall make it desolate, even until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate.
I think that many believer think that verse 27 refers to the antichrist because of the statement in verse 26 "the people of the prince that shall come shall destroy the city and the sanctuary" which mean the last person refer to in verse 26 is who the He in verse 27 refers to, but I think this goes against the Bible teaching.

The Writer of the Book of Hebrews said
And to Jesus the mediator of the New Covenant, and to the blood of sprinkling, that speaketh better things than that of Abel
Hebrew 12:24
We as believers seem to forget the term Covenant and Testament are pretty much one and the same. So I believe that the Old Testament/Covenant refers to the Law and the New Testament/Covenant refers to the Liberty of Grace.

16) Now to Abraham and his Seed were the promise made. He saith not, and to seeds, as of many; but as of one, And to thy Seed, which is Christ.
17) And this is say, that the covenant, that was confirmed before of God in Christ, the law, which was four hundred and thirty years after, cannot disannul, that it should make the promise of none effect.
Galatians 3:16-17

We see that in verse 27 of Daniel 9, that He would confirm the Covenant with many for one week. Jesus began His ministry when He was 30 (Luke 3:23), and He began to preach (confirm) the New Covenant: "And saying, The time is fulfilled and the Kingdom of God is at hand: repent ye and believe the Gospel." (Mark 1:15). About 3 and an half years later, we see Jesus speaking of the New Testament or New Covenant (Matthew 26:26-29; Mark 14:22-25; Luke 22:14-20; I Corinthians 11:23-26). We also read in Hebrews 9:19-19-26 how Moses by sacrificing calves and goats etc., by their blood purgify the earthly tabernacle, but once and for all Christ's Blood has purified the heavenly tabernacle. This would have happened in the midst of the week. The rest of the week is dealt with in Daniel 9:24. For the last three and a half years the Gospel message was primary a Jewish Message. For Jesus told a woman of Canaan, "I am not sent but unto the lost sheep of the house of Israel." (Matthew 15:24).
In Acts 9-11, we see that the final three and a half year period is come to an end, for Saul/Paul is called to be a witness unto the Gentiles (Acts 9:15) and than we see that Peter has a vision and preaches to Cornelius the Gospel, which cause an uproar among the Jewish Christians (Acts 10-11). But this is the beginning of the Time of the Gentiles (Luke21:24).

I know many will say but the Jews still offered their sacrifices after Jesus was crucified and rose from the dead. The last words of Jesus earthly life were, "It is finished" (John 19:31). On Yom Kippur (The Day of Atonement) of the year that Jesus was offered as Our Final Sacrice , the Jews for the first time offer there scapegoat came back with a red ribbon because the children of Israel had rejected Jesus their Messiah (for there were two goats one was offer for the sins of the people and the other a scapegoat had a white ribbon around its neck that every year was soak in the blood of the other dead goat and sent into the wilderness, but would return with it white again) The Abomination of Desolation from what I read in the New Testament was the fact that many Jews were still offering the sacrifices of the Old Testament, when God the Father had offered a better Sacrifice, the gift of His Son (Romans 6:23; Romans 5:15-21)

Hebrews 10:12-29
12) But this Man, after He had offered one sacrifice for sins for ever, sat down on the right hand of God;
13) From henceforth expecting till His enemies be made His footstool.
14) For by one offering He hath perfected for ever them that are sanctified.
15) Whereof the Holy Ghost also is a witness to us: for after that He had said before,
16) This is the covenant that I will make with them after those days, saith the Lord, I will put my laws into their hearts, and in their minds will I write them;
17) And their sins and iniquities wil I remember no more. (Jeremiah 31:31-34)
18) NOW WHERE REMISSION OF THESE IS, THERE IS NO MORE OFFERING FOR SIN.
19) Having therefore, brethren, boldness to enter into the the holiest by the blood of Jesus.
...
29) OF HOW MUCH SORER PUNISHMENT SUPPOSE YE, SHALL HE BE THOUGHT WORTHY WHO HATH TRODDEN UNDER FOOT THE SON OF GOD AND HATH COUNTED THE BLOOD OF THE COVENANT, WHEREWITH HE WAS SANCTIFIED, AN UNHOLY THING, AND HATH DONE DESPITE UNTO THE SPIRIT OF GRACE?
(see also Hebrews 8:6-13 and Galatians 4:23-31; which speaks of the Second and better Covenant.

Jesus is given for a covenant to Israel;
Isaiah 42:6
I the LORD have called thee in righteousness, and will hold thine hand, and will keep thee, and give thee for a covenant of the people, for a light to the Gentiles.

Daniel 9:27
...for the overspreading of the abomination He shall make it desolate, even until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate.
Comparing Matthew24:15 with Luke 21:24 I believe this is reveal to us to have happen in 70AD. And if one reads I Thessalonians 2:14-17, especially verse 16 it tells that God wrath is come on the Jews for trying to stopped the preaching of the Gospel of Christ to the Gentiles.

Now God does love the Jewish People and so should we, but because they rejected His Son, God's Wrath was so great that He destroy their nation in 70AD. But now Jerusalem is in the Jewish people hand again and the time of the Gentiles is probably fufill.

This is how I understand this Prophecy

Yet, that interpretation of Dan.9:26-27 is certainly not what many in Christ believe.

Also, proper interpretation of what the "abomination of desolation" is depends upon more Scripture than just the Dan.9:27 verse. The subject continues in the Dan.11 chapter about the one who makes a "league" and causes the placing of the abomination that maketh desolate.

The events of the "vile person" of Dan.11 who makes a "league" and ends the daily sacrifice and causes the placing of the abomination that maketh desolate is linked to the little horn of Dan.7 who comes to power for a 3 and 1/2 year period and wears out the saints, and will think to change times and laws. That's about Antichrist, not our Lord Jesus.

Then immediately after the working of that false one of Dan.7, an everlasting kingdom is setup for the saints by Christ, and that is not just a spiritual wishing, but a literal kingdom Christ will setup on this earth reigning de facto with His saints after His return to this earth per Zech.14. That has not happened yet today.

I know there are some devout believers on our Lord Jesus that see that 70 weeks prophecy as already having been fulfilled back in 70 A.D. by the Romans. Some good Bible scholars believed that too (Jamieson, Fausset, Brown, Barnes, etc.). But lot of those Bible scholars didn't live to see the times we're in today with the Jews getting ready to build another temple in Jerusalem, and start up the Old Covenant sacrifices again.

There are some who have been bewitched into believing that our Lord Jesus' second coming is meant only as a spiritual coming. Scripture like Zechariah 14 and Acts 1 totally disagree with that idea, for Christ is to return in Person to the Mount of Olives where He ascended into Heaven. He's to return in like manner as He ascended is what Acts 1 declares. When that happens, only then will the 70 weeks prophecy given Daniel be completed.

With the Jew's plans to build another temple in Jerusalem today and start up Old Covenant sacrifices again, how does that figure into this prophecy in Daniel, and the placing of the abomination that makes desolate? We should be considering those new signs that have only existed in the last couple of decades.

If the Dan.9:27 prophecy is meant for the end, and the Jews today do build another temple and start up Old Covenant sacrifices, with a false one coming to power in Jerusalem to cause that, what would that reveal about the Daniel prophecy?

It would show that it's the Antichrist that comes to Jerusalem, and confirms the Old Covenant with orthodox Jews who refuse our Lord Jesus. And that it is Antichrist that ends the daily sacrifice and oblation in the middle of the seven years, and instead places an idol image of the beast inside the temple instead.

Originally Posted by Logos57

We as believers seem to forget the term Covenant and Testament are pretty much one and the same. So I believe that the Old Testament/Covenant refers to the Law and the New Testament/Covenant refers to the Liberty of Grace

Those among us who look for a future fulfillment relate the covenant in question to God's covenant affirmed to Noah, on behalf of all life on Earth, and symbolized by God's bow (rainbow): Ref. Gen. 9: 13-17.

This perspective relates Noah's covenant and God's bow to John's rider on a white horse who carries a bow (Rev. 6: 2). John's horseman symbolizes Daniel's prince that shall come. In this regard, the prince co-opts the bow (rainbow) as a false token of his illegitimate peace.

Major problem with that is, our Lord Jesus did not confirm any covenant for a period of "one week" (7 years) and then break it in the middle of the "one week", which is what the Daniel prophecy states that certain "he" will do.

Just what Covenant was it that our Lord Jesus did offer when He came? Thinking our Lord Jesus came to confirm the Old Covenant worship is totally a false assumption, close to blasphemy even.

What is it that you 'think' I don't see about prophecy concerning our Lord Jesus' first coming? I'd like to hear that.

Our Lord Jesus came to die on the cross to offer the New Covenant of His Blood. If Newton saw the Old Covenant in that somehow, then he was greatly in error.

It is one day in our near future that you will see what I've been declaring about prophecy for the end of this world concerning the antichrist who will come to Jerusalem and confirm a covenant with the orthodox Jews there who have the materials ready to build another temple in Jerusalem to start up the Old Covenant worship again.

Originally Posted by samuel

I also agree the "HE" in Dan. 9:27, is Jesus. No explanations given or needeed, except good Bible exposition does not call for changing horses, in midstream.

And I say it is not "good Bible exposition" to treat that "he" of Dan.9:27 as our Lord Jesus. Why I say that is because the removing of the daily sacrifice and placing of the abomination that makes desolate involves the following Scripture in Daniel 11 also.

Dan 9:27
27 And he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week: and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease, and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make it desolate, even until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate.
(KJV)

Dan 11:21-24
21 And in his estate shall stand up a vile person, to whom they shall not give the honour of the kingdom: but he shall come in peaceably, and obtain the kingdom by flatteries.
22 And with the arms of a flood shall they be overflown from before him, and shall be broken; yea, also the prince of the covenant.
23 And after the league made with him he shall work deceitfully: for he shall come up, and shall become strong with a small people.
24 He shall enter peaceably even upon the fattest places of the province; and he shall do that which his fathers have not done, nor his fathers' fathers; he shall scatter among them the prey, and spoil, and riches: yea, and he shall forecast his devices against the strong holds, even for a time.
(KJV)

Dan 11:31-37
31 And arms shall stand on his part, and they shall pollute the sanctuary of strength, and shall take away the daily sacrifice, and they shall place the abomination that maketh desolate.
32 And such as do wickedly against the covenant shall he corrupt by flatteries: but the people that do know their God shall be strong, and do exploits.
33 And they that understand among the people shall instruct many: yet they shall fall by the sword, and by flame, by captivity, and by spoil, many days.
34 Now when they shall fall, they shall be holpen with a little help: but many shall cleave to them with flatteries.
35 And some of them of understanding shall fall, to try them, and to purge, and to make them white, even to the time of the end: because it is yet for a time appointed.
36 And the king shall do according to his will; and he shall exalt himself, and magnify himself above every god, and shall speak marvellous things against the God of gods, and shall prosper till the indignation be accomplished: for that that is determined shall be done.
37 Neither shall he regard the God of his fathers, nor the desire of women, nor regard any god: for he shall magnify himself above all.
(KJV)

The Romans never made it inside the Jerusalem temple; it caught fire beforehand. Per our Lord Jesus, the abomination of desolation is about false worship inside... the temple (Matt.24:15; Mark 13:14). Antiochus Epiphanes (165-170 B.C.) serves as the final pattern for placing the abomination of desolation in a temple in Jerusalem.

It's those type of events which involve the Daniel prophecy, not some philosophical spiritualizations of those who practice mysticism with familiar spirits deceiving them.

Newton was obviously wrong, because Christ did not say the abomination of desolation would be setup in the days of the Roman empire.

Newton was obviously unfamiliar with the signs our Lord Jesus was giving in His Olivet Discourse, for it involves the signs of the seven seals of Revelation 6, of which of course are about the very end of this world, all the way to Christ's second coming.


Ezek 8:3-6
3 And he put forth the form of an hand, and took me by a lock of mine head; and the spirit lifted me up between the earth and the heaven, and brought me in the visions of God to Jerusalem, to the door of the inner gate that looketh toward the north; where was the seat of the image of jealousy, which provoketh to jealousy.
4 And, behold, the glory of the God of Israel was there, according to the vision that I saw in the plain.
5 Then said He unto me, "Son of man, lift up thine eyes now the way toward the north." So I lifted up mine eyes the way toward the north, and behold northward at the gate of the altar this image of jealousy in the entry.
6 He said furthermore unto me, "Son of man, seest thou what they do? even the great abominations that the house of Israel committeth here, that I should go far off from My sanctuary? but turn thee yet again, and thou shalt see greater abominations."
(KJV)

That is what is the true "abomination of desolation" per God's Word, a false idol image setup in the temple of Jerusalem for false worship. That's what placing the abomination that maketh desolate is about. Antiochus IV did that in 165 B.C. in the Jerusalem temple, and that's the pattern. The Romans did not accomplish that, as per Josephus, the temple burned down before they had a chance to set up an abomination.