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If you kneel next to your bed to pray are you worshiping your bed?
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If you kneel next to your bed to pray are you worshiping your bed?
In jolly old England the said to the judge or mayor “your worship” but it does not mean adoration
jasonc
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No because you have no image and focus to a deceased person .
In Shintoism they also ask for protection and guidance .
jasonc
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Prayers to Mary
Your own words ,
What is the difference if I ask o sensei to give me the ability to kill in war versus the patron saint James ?
Not much .oh there is that cc well we know the cannonised him etc and the dead can pray to God etc .and yet nothing on said patron of protection from a person the bible but God himself .
Iconoclast
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Moses was instructed to make a serpent of brass and lift it up on a pole.
Whoever looked in faith lived,
Later on they used it as an idol, so God had them destroy it
Mungo
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Could you put this gibberish into English please.
Mungo
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And your point is what exactly?
Mungo
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The word "worship" is much misunderstood because its meaning has changed over time.
Going back to its roots it just means being worthy.
O.E. worðscip, wurðscip (Anglian), weorðscipe (W.Saxon) "condition of being worthy, honor, renown," from weorð "worthy" (see worth) + -scipe (see -ship). Sense of "reverence paid to a supernatural or divine being" is first recorded c.1300. The original sense is preserved in the title worshipful (c.1300). The verb is recorded from c.1200.
(from the Online Etymology Dictionary).
The word originally had a broad meaning of being worthy and until recently we (in England anyway) used to address mayors and judges as “your worship”, or refer to the mayor as his worship the mayor.
The Protestant Archbishop Thomas Cranmer wrote the Anglican book of common prayer. The marriage ceremony in use until quite recently included the line from the groom to the bride “with my body I thee worship”.
Protestants narrowed their usage of the word to refer to God alone.
Catholics distinguish between the adoration due to God alone, called latria (Latin/Greek) and the veneration or honour due to humans, especially those who have died and are with Jesus in heaven, which is called dulia (Greek).
These two words were used from early times to make this distinction.
Incidentally the English word Idolatry comes from the Latin idololatria, from the Greek eidololatria meaning the adoration (latria) of idols.
jasonc
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You don't know who o sensei is?
That's the founder of the style that Steven seageal uses.
In Japan he has a large temple
It's where they teach that art and perform the ritual I mention .it's not necessary a shinto temple but it does it because he was a Shinto and at the time most martial arts were that way in Japan .
I have a rank in that arts variant . We didn't do that bowing thing but my other dojos do
Mungo
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This has nothing to do with the topic.
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Our prayers are directed to God thru the intercession of the saints
Prayers and intercession of the saints!
God of the living!
Matthew 22:32
I am the God of Abraham, and the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob? God is not the God of the dead, but of the living.
Jn 11:25 Jesus said unto her, I am the resurrection, and the life: he that believeth in me, though he were dead, yet shall he live:
Only one mediator?
1 Tim 2:1 I exhort therefore, that, first of all, supplications, prayers, intercessions, and giving of thanks, be made for all men;
NOT found in the Bible are..........
“prayer to saints”
1st we don’t pray to saints, our prayers are directed to God (who alone can hear and answer prayer) thru the intercession of the saints rev 5:8 with the ministering angels. Heb 1:14
Jesus Christ is the Head of the church Eph 5:23 the only mediator 1 Tim 2:5 and chief intercessor, makes intercession for the saints! (The church) Rom 8:26-27 8:34 heb 7:25
The saints also make intercession!
1 Timothy 2:1
I exhort therefore, that, first of all, supplications, prayers, intercessions, and giving of thanks, be made for all men;
Revelation 5:8
And when he had taken the book, the four beasts and four and twenty elders fell down before the Lamb, having every one of them harps, and golden vials full of odours, which are the prayers of saints.
Revelation 8:3
And another angel came and stood at the altar, having a golden censer; and there was given unto him much incense, that he should offer it with the prayers of all saints upon the golden altar which was before the throne.
Revelation 8:4
And the smoke of the incense, which came with the prayers of the saints, ascended up before God out of the angel's hand.
James 5:16 …The effectual fervent prayer of a righteous man availeth much.
Jn 11:25 (the saints are alive) Jesus said unto her, I am the resurrection, and the life: he that believeth in me, though he were dead, yet shall he live:
Lk 20:38 For he is not a God of the dead, but of the living: for all live unto him.
All generations call me blessed! Lk 1:
Thanksgiving in praise of Mary for bearing our savior! Matt 1:23 And finding our salvation! Lk 1:30
Praise honor veneration and devotion redound to the Glory of God who created Mary immaculate Lk 1:49 as Christ source of all grace! Jn 1:16-17
Praise, honor, veneration, and devotion are not worship, worship requires intent!
Mary all powerful advocate!
Help of Christian’s!
Mary ever virgin, mother of God, is all powerful in her prayers!
Mary’s prayers are all powerful not cos she is God but because her son is God!
and on becoming man He (Jesus) obeyed his own commandments
you might check out the one that says “honor Thy father and mother”
“My hour has not come”
The time set by almighty God for the public ministry of Christ had not come, Jesus Christ still performed the miracle cos his mother interceded, thus a higher law, “honor thy father and mother” if ANYONE else asked it would NOT have been done!
John 2
and cos of her intercession the disciples believed in Him!
Jn 2:11
We should be grieved by the manifold sins of mankind that offend our God! If we love God!
make reparation and recompense as far as we can by prayer and sacrifice!
also not forgetting to pray for the conversion of sinners!
Eternal Father, I offer Thee the precious blood of Jesus!
Precious blood of Jesus, save us!
Jn 15:4 Abide in me, and I in you. As the branch cannot bear fruit of itself, except it abide in the vine; no more can ye, except ye abide in me.
5 I am the vine, ye are the branches: He that abideth in me, and I in him, the same bringeth forth much fruit: for without me ye can do nothing.
Matthew 10:38
And he that taketh not his cross, and followeth after me, is not worthy of me.
Matthew 16:24
Then said Jesus unto his disciples, If any man will come after me, let him deny himself, and take up his cross, and follow me.
Romans 8:17
And if children, then heirs; heirs of God, and joint-heirs with Christ; if so be that we suffer with him, that we may be also glorified together.
2 Corinthians 1:6
And whether we be afflicted, it is for your consolation and salvation, which is effectual in the enduring of the same sufferings which we also suffer: or whether we be comforted, it is for your consolation and salvation.
2 Corinthians 12:9
And he said unto me, My grace is sufficient for thee: for my strength is made perfect in weakness. Most gladly therefore will I rather glory in my infirmities, that the power of Christ may rest upon me.
2 Thessalonians 1:5
Which is a manifest token of the righteous judgment of God, that ye may be counted worthy of the kingdom of God, for which ye also suffer:
Colossians 1:11
Strengthened with all might, according to his glorious power, unto all patience and longsuffering with joyfulness;
2 Tim 2:3 Thou therefore endure hardness, as a good soldier of Jesus Christ.
2 Timothy 2:12
If we suffer, we shall also reign with him: if we deny him, he also will deny us:
Phil 1:19
For I know that this shall turn to my salvation through your prayer, and the supply of the Spirit of Jesus Christ,
Phil 1:29
For unto you it is given in the behalf of Christ, not only to believe on him, but also to suffer for his sake;
1 pet 4:1 Forasmuch then as Christ hath suffered for us in the flesh, arm yourselves likewise with the same mind: for he that hath suffered in the flesh hath ceased from sin;
James 1:2-8
My brethren, count it all joy when ye fall into divers temptations; Knowing this, that the trying of your faith worketh patience. But let patience have her perfect work, that ye may be perfect and entire, wanting nothing
James 5:16 the prayer of a righteous man avails much…
Hebrews 6:12
That ye be not slothful, but followers of them who through faith and patience inherit the promises.
Hebrews 10:36
For ye have need of patience, that, after ye have done the will of God, ye might receive the promise.
Hebrews 12:4
Ye have not yet resisted unto blood, striving against sin.
1 Peter 2:20
For what glory is it, if, when ye be buffeted for your faults, ye shall take it patiently? but if, when ye do well, and suffer for it, ye take it patiently, this is acceptable with God.
Colossians 1:24
Who now rejoice in my sufferings for you, and fill up that which is behind of the afflictions of Christ in my flesh for his body's sake, which is the church:
Rev 5:8 the prayers of the saints…
jasonc
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LOL!!!
Every single person who has accepted Christ as their savior are sanctified, i.e., are saints. So if there is a single believer who is alive then no, the saints of God are not dead.
When Jesus was asked by His disciples how they should pray He began "Our Father..." So if Jesus gave instructions to pray directly to God there is no need for any intercessors. Believers are God's adopted children; there is no need for a go-between! No believer needs "an attorney" to speak directly to the judge!
Then you give as an example, "Eternal Father, I offer Thee the precious blood of Jesus! Precious blood of Jesus, save us!" a) Aside from the doctrinal errors, why are you praying to God instead of going through an intercessor? That is contrary to your own instructions! and b) How can you offer the blood of Jesus??? Do you have it in a vial somewhere? And c), then you ask the blood to save you??? So you believe that God can't save you???
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Mungo
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Regarding "The time set by almighty God for the public ministry of Christ had not come, Jesus Christ still performed the miracle cos his mother interceded, thus a higher law, “honor thy father and mother” if ANYONE else asked it would NOT have been done!", here is what the Bible says about Jesus' relationship to His mother...
"While he was still speaking to the crowds, his mother and his brothers were standing outside, wanting to speak to him. Someone told him, “Look, your mother and your brothers are standing outside, wanting to speak to you.” But to the one who had told him this, Jesus replied, “Who is my mother, and who are my brothers?” And pointing to his disciples, he said, “Here are my mother and my brothers! For whoever does the will of my Father in heaven is my brother and sister and mother.” Matthew 12:46-50
So should someone believe what the word of God -- the Bible -- clearly says about how Jesus regarded His mother after He was anointed by the Holy Spirit, or believe the fable that your denomination invented?
jasonc
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In short ya know only if they made to heaven outside of who.
The patron saint of protection .
Where is he in the bible ?
See Muslims would wear that and think they wouldn't die and also Catholics and sinners.
Rather then simply letting God protect and decide . That's one of many problems .a God for this problem .
Mungo
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Can you put that into plain English.