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Questioning the reformation?
- Thread starter donadams
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Truth and the church are of divine origin and CANNOT be reformed by the tradition of men!
Can we decide truth and faith for ourselves based on our own private judgement?
Or is Christ and his church the way the truth and the life? Jn 14:6
Decide no.... discover yes.
You misquoted John. Christ is the truth... not the church. So close.
Christ and his church are one unity!
Acts 9:4 eph 5:32
Saul was persecuting the church! Christ said why persecut me.
Saul was a Protestant till the blinding light of Christ healed and converted him
Jn 14:6 Christ 1 Tim 3:15 his church
Jesus Christ extends his mission, power, and authority to His church of His apostles! The apostles have the same mission, ministry, power, and authority as Christ! Jn 20:21 as the father sent me, so I send you!
Even His judging!
Matt 19:28 and 1 cor 6:2
His teaching authority!
Matt 28:19 and Jn 20:21
His power to forgive sins!
Jn 20:23
Jn 17:22 / rom 2:10 / 1 pet 1:7 Christ shares His glory with His saints!
His being the light of the world!
Matt 5:14
Must hear church Matt 18:18
His ministry of reconciliation!
2 cor 5:18
His authority in governing the church and administering the kingdom!
Matt 16:18-19 & 18:18 Jn 21:17
Lk 22:29
Apart from me you can do nothing. Jn 15:5
Acts 2:42 doctrine of the apostles!
So the church is subject to Christ!
Eph 5:24
Christ shares His glory! 2 thes 1:10 rev 12:1
The pillar and foundation of TRUTH!
1 Tim 3:15
The TWO EDGE SWORD!
To proclaim the truth! Matt 28:19
To condemn error! 1 cor 16:22
Thanks
Where does it say a believer can discover truth?
Where does it not?
I show you where you misquote the Bible... then you pull out many more verses... I have debunked you many times and don't feel like doing it again.
Your passages are almost never in context.
Jethro Bodine
Member
Luther did not consult tradition when he ushered in the reformation of the Catholic church's theology of works justification to that of the theology of justification by faith taught by the Apostles. The Protestant reformation is based on Romans 1:17, not tradition.
In Catholicism, the righteousness by which a person becomes righteous, and therefore, eligible for entry into the kingdom of God, is the righteousness of one's rituals and deeds that you performed in faith in obedience to the church and which you then present to God at the end of your life. And if found satisfactory, you enter into the eternal kingdom of God. This is the classic works justification gospel condemned in scripture, except that you work your righteousness by which you are justified through faith. The addition of the element of faith making it appear to be the gospel of faith taught in scripture.
In Protestantism, the righteousness by which a person becomes righteous, and therefore, eligible for entry into the kingdom of God, is the righteousness of God imputed to you as a free gift of his grace, apart from your works, given to you when you believe in God's promise of a Son who will inherit your blessing on your behalf, just as that was true for Abraham, our example. In that moment of believing you are made righteous and eligible to enter into the kingdom of God solely on the merits of God's righteousness, not yours, and so you are translated into the kingdom of light and out of the kingdom of darkness in that moment, not at the resurrection. You're not working to become righteous, as the Catholics are doing, you are already completely righteous in that moment, because it is the righteousness of God that has been credited to you. From that point onward you await the redemption of your body at the resurrection when you enter, physically, into the eternal kingdom of God. At that time your righteous deeds serve as the evidence of your justification, not the procurer of it as in Catholicism.
Christians must be taught or instructed, according to the sense which the perpetual consent of the Catholic Church hath held and expressed!
Lk 1:4
Matt 28:19
Jn 20:21
Acts 8:31
Colossians 2:7
Rooted and built up in him, and stablished in the faith, as ye have been taught…
No Christian has the authority to read scripture for yourself and decide your own doctrines or beliefs! “One faith” Eph 4:5 Thee faith once handed to the saints” Jude 1:3
Just another cultist.
Jethro Bodine
Member
"Christians must be taught (and) instructed..."
You can end your quote there. No Catholic church needed. Catholicism will only teach you a false works justification theology, not the theology of God's righteousness given to you when you believe in God apart from your works taught in scripture.
I don't see the Catholic Church mentioned in the Bible.
Jethro Bodine
Member
He's asking reformists.
Only apostles have authority from Christ what so-called reformer was an apostle?
Thanks
All scripture (full 73) books are inspired says nothing about context?
Jethro Bodine
Member
If you knew anything about Luther you'd know he revolted against the Catholic's teaching that a person becomes righteous by being righteous. He saw in scripture that righteousness is God's righteousness given to the believer as a free gift, through faith, not the working of one's righteousness over time by being righteous.