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12 Therefore all things whatsoever ye would that men should do to you, do ye even so to them: for this is the law and the prophets. Mt 7:12.

31 And as ye would that men should do to you, do ye also to them likewise. Lk 6:31.

The Law and the Prophets.
Let's see what the Law says:

23 And if any mischief follow, then thou shalt give life for life,
24 Eye for eye, tooth for tooth, hand for hand, foot for foot,
25 Burning for burning, wound for wound, stripe for stripe. Ex 21:23–26.

This is the Golden Rule.
 
Matt 5:7 Blessed are the merciful: for they shall obtain mercy.

Matt 22: 36 Master, which is the great commandment in the law?

37 Jesus said unto him, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind.

38 This is the first and great commandment.

39 And the second is like unto it, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.

40 On these two commandments hang all the law and the prophets.

Jn 8:4 They say unto him, Master, this woman was taken in adultery, in the very act.

5 Now Moses in the law commanded us, that such should be stoned: but what sayest thou?

6 This they said, tempting him, that they might have to accuse him. But Jesus stooped down, and with his finger wrote on the ground, as though he heard them not.

7 So when they continued asking him, he lifted up himself, and said unto them, He that is without sin among you, let him first cast a stone at her.

8 And again he stooped down, and wrote on the ground.

9 And they which heard it, being convicted by their own conscience, went out one by one, beginning at the eldest, even unto the last: and Jesus was left alone, and the woman standing in the midst.

10 When Jesus had lifted up himself, and saw none but the woman, he said unto her, Woman, where are those thine accusers? hath no man condemned thee?

11 She said, No man, Lord. And Jesus said unto her, Neither do I condemn thee: go, and sin no more.
 
12 Therefore all things whatsoever ye would that men should do to you, do ye even so to them: for this is the law and the prophets. Mt 7:12.

31 And as ye would that men should do to you, do ye also to them likewise. Lk 6:31.

The Law and the Prophets.
Let's see what the Law says:

23 And if any mischief follow, then thou shalt give life for life,
24 Eye for eye, tooth for tooth, hand for hand, foot for foot,
25 Burning for burning, wound for wound, stripe for stripe. Ex 21:23–26.

This is the Golden Rule.
Sorry the golden rule, as in the rule that is so important that everyone should obey it is.
To .ove God with all your body, soul and mind and to love others as you love yourself.
 
Clearly you do not remember Jesus answering the question, ' Who is my neighbour?'
Of course, I do.
Jesus didn't come and change the Law, so the original command God gave to His Covenant Chosen people Israel still stands. It stands for the Covenant people of Israel, and it stands for the Covenant people Gentiles.
Do you know and understand the original command?
I don't think you do. I think you have a Hellenized understanding of "Who is my neighbor" which isn't what God instructed in His original command.
You have a bastardized understanding of the original command. And I'll even tell you what you're going to do. You're going to reject the Word of God and retain your own understanding of "Who is my neighbor" because you won't allow the Word of God tell you what to believe. You'd rather tell the Word of God what to say by leaning on your own understanding in the vanity of your mind. Mostly all born again Christians do that.
Now, do you want to test my prophecy?
 
Hey All,
Jeremiah1five said:
"So did Leviticus 19:18-19.
He commands His Covenant people to love ONLY Covenant people.
Do you do that?
This comes direct from God."

What the whole text says:sadI added verse 17 for textual clarity.)

Leviticus 19:17-19 Thou shalt not hate thy brother in thine heart: thou shalt in any wise rebuke thy neighbour, and not suffer sin upon him.
Thou shalt not avenge, nor bear any grudge against the children of thy people, but thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself: I am the LORD.
Ye shall keep my statutes. Thou shalt not let thy cattle gender with a diverse kind: thou shalt not sow thy field with mingled seed: neither shall a garment mingled of linen and woollen come upon thee.

Some comments and questions:
1. I do not read that we are to love ONLY covenant people. Does "Thou shall not hate . . . "
equal the opposite? There are a lot lesser emotions in-between hate and love.
2. Verse 18 tells us " . . . thou shalt love thy neighbor as thyself . . ." Who is my neighbor?
I live in California. We have just about ever ethnicity, and followers of just about every religion known. These people are our neighbors.
Jeremiah1five, are you saying that this passage is saying I only need to love people of my religion and my ethnicity? (That's the type of racism present in Nazi Germany.) I don't believe that.
3. Verse 19 is about keeping the animals and fields clean. They were not to eat "unclean" foods. This is addressing dietary laws. Moses is not using euphemism here to support not
" . . . avenging or bearing gudge against . . . "
4. I do not see support for your statement in this passage. I would also ask who is your neighbor?
Let's have Jesus define this:

Luke 10:25-29 And, behold, a certain lawyer stood up, and tempted him, saying, Master, what shall I do to inherit eternal life?
He said unto him, What is written in the law? how readest thou?
And he answering said, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy strength, and with all thy mind; and thy neighbour as thyself.
And he said unto him, Thou hast answered right: this do, and thou shalt live.
But he, willing to justify himself, said unto Jesus, And who is my neighbour?

The following passage is the parable of the Good Samaritan. Then we read:

Luke 10:36-37 But he, willing to justify himself, said unto Jesus, And who is my neighbour?
Which now of these three, thinkest thou, was neighbour unto him that fell among the thieves?
And he said, He that shewed mercy on him. Then said Jesus unto him, Go, and do thou likewise.

5. Who does Jesus, using the levitical words, say is our neighbor?
6. Who was the man from Jerusalem's neighbor in the parable?
Are you my neighbor? What about the atheist that lives down the block?
Based on these passages, I believe that we, as believers, are to project God's love to the whole world. We are reflections of His light. Keep walking everybody. May God bless,
Taz
 
Any further violations of the ToS will result in being moved from this discussion.
 
Hey All, Jeremiah1five said: "So did Leviticus 19:18-19.
He commands His Covenant people to love ONLY Covenant people.
Do you do that?
This comes direct from God."
What the whole text says:sadI added verse 17 for textual clarity.)

Leviticus 19:17-19 Thou shalt not hate thy brother in thine heart: thou shalt in any wise rebuke thy neighbour, and not suffer sin upon him.
Thou shalt not avenge, nor bear any grudge against the children of thy people, but thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself: I am the LORD.
Ye shall keep my statutes. Thou shalt not let thy cattle gender with a diverse kind: thou shalt not sow thy field with mingled seed: neither shall a garment mingled of linen and woollen come upon thee.

Some comments and questions:
1. I do not read that we are to love ONLY covenant people. Does "Thou shall not hate . . . "
equal the opposite? There are a lot lesser emotions in-between hate and love.
You do err not knowing the Scripture nor the power of God:
After wandering in the desert for decades, God gives Moses and later, Joshua victory over their enemies, the tribal nations that occupied the Promised Land and the areas surrounding it.
God gave precise instruction to Moses in building the Tabernacle and situated the twelve tribes of Jacob/Israel around the Tabernacle with the Tabernacle at the center.
God ordered three tribes to the north, three tribes to the east, three tribes to the west, and three tribes to the south. All four cardinal points of the compass. From the air it is the sign of a cross. And the placement of certain tribes in their encampments is significant and has meaning. There were no enemies of Israel anywhere near. It was only God and His people in the desert. That that you understand this let's make true sense of the Scripture in Leviticus in the command of God to His people and who they are commanded to love:

17 Thou shalt not hate thy brother [member of the same tribe] in thine heart: thou shalt in any wise rebuke thy neighbour [member of any tribe situated by God living next to them], and not suffer sin upon him. 18 Thou shalt not avenge, nor bear any grudge against the children of thy people [member of any tribe], but thou shalt love thy neighbour [member of the tribe living next to them] as thyself: I am the LORD.
Lev. 19:17–18.

There were no Gentiles near them as they had all been vanquished by God when He commanded Moses and Joshua to destroy them all, even women, children, babies, children in the womb, all the cattle, sheep, everything. So, the Word of God rightly divided reveals that God had commanded His Covenant people in the desert to love their fellow Covenant brethren. This is the original command. God does not command the children of Israel to love the Gentiles nor does He command the children of Israel to love their enemies. God is a jealous God and divided loyalties and love is idol worship. It is also unfaithfulness to your brethren if you love anyone outside the Covenant of God.
2. Verse 18 tells us " . . . thou shalt love thy neighbor as thyself . . ." Who is my neighbor?
I live in California. We have just about ever ethnicity, and followers of just about every religion known. These people are our neighbors.
Jeremiah1five, are you saying that this passage is saying I only need to love people of my religion and my ethnicity? (That's the type of racism present in Nazi Germany.) I don't believe that.
As proven above the original command of God is for believers in Covenant with God to love their Covenant brethren ONLY. And Christianity is not a religion. It is a relationship with Christ.
God's love is holy. He gives His love to a holy people. And if you are a true Christian you are commanded in the original instruction to love your true Christian brethren ONLY. You are commanded by Christ to NOT give that which is holy (God's love) to dogs (a euphemism for non-Covenant people. In its original meaning it meant to the children of Israel all non-Covenant Gentiles.) IF you are a true Christian, you are also commanded to NOT cast your pearls (which symbolizes the Word of God) to swine (again, unclean, unsaved, non-Covenant people.
Israel's Messiah and Redeemer was prophesied to and for the children of Israel. Their Messiah was also prophesied to sit on the throne of David in Jerusalem, Israel. And when Christ appeared, John the Baptist makes this very clear:

31 And I knew him not: but that he should be made manifest to Israel, therefore am I come baptizing with water. Jn 1:31.

Jesus Christ also in very clear language makes this point clear in His very own words:

24 But he answered and said, I am not sent but unto the lost sheep of the house of Israel. Mt 15:24.

His whole ministry on earth was to His Covenant and Chosen people Israel:

5 These twelve Jesus sent forth, and commanded them, saying, Go not into the way of the Gentiles, and into any city of the Samaritans enter ye not:
6 But go rather to the lost sheep of the house of Israel. Mt 10:4–6.

Thus, all His instruction and teaching and commands are given to His Chosen people Israel. Again, the instruction and command is abundantly clear:

15 Love not the world (meaning the inhabitants), neither the things that are in the world. If any man love the world, the love of the Father is not in him. 1 Jn 2:15.

Now consider yourself instructed and now that you know God's command to His Covenant people (and true born of God Christians are His Covenant people) now you know WHO to love. And make no mistake. God's love is not an emotional love like humans have. It is a love that is described as a verb. And God's love comes with profit. God's love is a verb, a word describing action, not emotions. ALL your emotions and the emotions of God's people are to be placed and given to and for God. If you want to love the unsaved dogs and swine that God commands you not to love then you are disobedient to God, unfaithful to God and to brethren. It's called adultery.

And if you know anything about Christ you should also know that He did not come to change the Law (in which Leviticus is part of the Law.)

17 Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil. Mt 5:17.

Jesus Christ taught, instructed, and commanded God's Covenant people in the things of God. And Jesus Christ ALSO obeyed Leviticus 19:17-19 and loved His Covenant people ONLY.

1 Now before the feast of the passover, when Jesus knew that his hour was come that he should depart out of this world unto the Father, having loved his own which were in the world, he loved them unto the end. Jn 13:1.

Jesus Christ didn't love the non-elect, non-covenant people in the world. He loved ONLY His own brethren. So, if you are Christian, and Christian is a follower of Christ, hence the name Christian, you will do what your Lord has instructed and commanded and love ONLY your Christian brethren.
3. Verse 19 is about keeping the animals and fields clean. They were not to eat "unclean" foods. This is addressing dietary laws. Moses is not using euphemism here to support not
" . . . avenging or bearing gudge against . . . "
Yes, and it has nothing to do with God's command to the children of Israel in Covenant with God. Verse 19 is another subject God covers and commands His people.
4. I do not see support for your statement in this passage. I would also ask who is your neighbor?
Let's have Jesus define this:
Luke 10:25-29 And, behold, a certain lawyer stood up, and tempted him, saying, Master, what shall I do to inherit eternal life?
He said unto him, What is written in the law? how readest thou?
Luke 10:36-37 But he, willing to justify himself, said unto Jesus, And who is my neighbour?
Which now of these three, thinkest thou, was neighbour unto him that fell among the thieves?
And he said, He that shewed mercy on him. Then said Jesus unto him, Go, and do thou likewise.
The lawyer is correct. He and Jesus both understood the original command that their neighbor was a fellow Covenant member of another tribe.
5. Who does Jesus, using the levitical words, say is our neighbor?
I explained "who is [my] neighbor" above. Our "neighbor" is a fellow Covenant member of another tribe of twelve tribes of the children of Israel.
6. Who was the man from Jerusalem's neighbor in the parable?
His neighbor was a fellow Covenant member of another tribe.
Are you my neighbor? What about the atheist that lives down the block?
Based on these passages, I believe that we, as believers, are to project God's love to the whole world. We are reflections of His light. Keep walking everybody. May God bless,
Taz
By the way, if you'll notice in the story of the 'good Samaritan' each person in Jesus' story is a Covenant member.
A priest, a Levite, and a Samaritan are all brethren and neighbor to the man that fell among thieves. And it would not be unreasonable that he, too, was a Covenant brethren.
So, now that you know who you are commanded as a Christian WHO to love, the Lord commands you to "Go, and do likewise."
 
That's the third time I hit send before I was done. Iam trying to violate the rules. Free, I am an old man. I am not up on all the abbreviations. What does ToS mean? Topic of subject? Thanks. Keep walking everybody. May God bless,
Taz
 
You do err not knowing the Scripture nor the power of God:
After wandering in the desert for decades, God gives Moses and later, Joshua victory over their enemies, the tribal nations that occupied the Promised Land and the areas surrounding it.
God gave precise instruction to Moses in building the Tabernacle and situated the twelve tribes of Jacob/Israel around the Tabernacle with the Tabernacle at the center.
God ordered three tribes to the north, three tribes to the east, three tribes to the west, and three tribes to the south. All four cardinal points of the compass. From the air it is the sign of a cross. And the placement of certain tribes in their encampments is significant and has meaning. There were no enemies of Israel anywhere near. It was only God and His people in the desert. That that you understand this let's make true sense of the Scripture in Leviticus in the command of God to His people and who they are commanded to love:

17 Thou shalt not hate thy brother [member of the same tribe] in thine heart: thou shalt in any wise rebuke thy neighbour [member of any tribe situated by God living next to them], and not suffer sin upon him. 18 Thou shalt not avenge, nor bear any grudge against the children of thy people [member of any tribe], but thou shalt love thy neighbour [member of the tribe living next to them] as thyself: I am the LORD.
Lev. 19:17–18.

There were no Gentiles near them as they had all been vanquished by God when He commanded Moses and Joshua to destroy them all, even women, children, babies, children in the womb, all the cattle, sheep, everything. So, the Word of God rightly divided reveals that God had commanded His Covenant people in the desert to love their fellow Covenant brethren. This is the original command. God does not command the children of Israel to love the Gentiles nor does He command the children of Israel to love their enemies. God is a jealous God and divided loyalties and love is idol worship. It is also unfaithfulness to your brethren if you love anyone outside the Covenant of God.

As proven above the original command of God is for believers in Covenant with God to love their Covenant brethren ONLY. And Christianity is not a religion. It is a relationship with Christ.
God's love is holy. He gives His love to a holy people. And if you are a true Christian you are commanded in the original instruction to love your true Christian brethren ONLY. You are commanded by Christ to NOT give that which is holy (God's love) to dogs (a euphemism for non-Covenant people. In its original meaning it meant to the children of Israel all non-Covenant Gentiles.) IF you are a true Christian, you are also commanded to NOT cast your pearls (which symbolizes the Word of God) to swine (again, unclean, unsaved, non-Covenant people.
Israel's Messiah and Redeemer was prophesied to and for the children of Israel. Their Messiah was also prophesied to sit on the throne of David in Jerusalem, Israel. And when Christ appeared, John the Baptist makes this very clear:

31 And I knew him not: but that he should be made manifest to Israel, therefore am I come baptizing with water. Jn 1:31.

Jesus Christ also in very clear language makes this point clear in His very own words:

24 But he answered and said, I am not sent but unto the lost sheep of the house of Israel. Mt 15:24.

His whole ministry on earth was to His Covenant and Chosen people Israel:

5 These twelve Jesus sent forth, and commanded them, saying, Go not into the way of the Gentiles, and into any city of the Samaritans enter ye not:
6 But go rather to the lost sheep of the house of Israel. Mt 10:4–6.

Thus, all His instruction and teaching and commands are given to His Chosen people Israel. Again, the instruction and command is abundantly clear:

15 Love not the world (meaning the inhabitants), neither the things that are in the world. If any man love the world, the love of the Father is not in him. 1 Jn 2:15.

Now consider yourself instructed and now that you know God's command to His Covenant people (and true born of God Christians are His Covenant people) now you know WHO to love. And make no mistake. God's love is not an emotional love like humans have. It is a love that is described as a verb. And God's love comes with profit. God's love is a verb, a word describing action, not emotions. ALL your emotions and the emotions of God's people are to be placed and given to and for God. If you want to love the unsaved dogs and swine that God commands you not to love then you are disobedient to God, unfaithful to God and to brethren. It's called adultery.

And if you know anything about Christ you should also know that He did not come to change the Law (in which Leviticus is part of the Law.)

17 Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil. Mt 5:17.

Jesus Christ taught, instructed, and commanded God's Covenant people in the things of God. And Jesus Christ ALSO obeyed Leviticus 19:17-19 and loved His Covenant people ONLY.

1 Now before the feast of the passover, when Jesus knew that his hour was come that he should depart out of this world unto the Father, having loved his own which were in the world, he loved them unto the end. Jn 13:1.

Jesus Christ didn't love the non-elect, non-covenant people in the world. He loved ONLY His own brethren. So, if you are Christian, and Christian is a follower of Christ, hence the name Christian, you will do what your Lord has instructed and commanded and love ONLY your Christian brethren.

Yes, and it has nothing to do with God's command to the children of Israel in Covenant with God. Verse 19 is another subject God covers and commands His people.

The lawyer is correct. He and Jesus both understood the original command that their neighbor was a fellow Covenant member of another tribe.

I explained "who is [my] neighbor" above. Our "neighbor" is a fellow Covenant member of another tribe of twelve tribes of the children of Israel.

His neighbor was a fellow Covenant member of another tribe.

By the way, if you'll notice in the story of the 'good Samaritan' each person in Jesus' story is a Covenant member.
A priest, a Levite, and a Samaritan are all brethren and neighbor to the man that fell among thieves. And it would not be unreasonable that he, too, was a Covenant brethren.
So, now that you know who you are commanded as a Christian WHO to love, the Lord commands you to "Go, and do likewise."
I'm glad that Jesus nor the Apostles believed or taught that, or there would be no Gentile believers--no missions or evangelism to those outside of Judaism. We are to love everyone. That is to be the basis of our conduct, whether towards believers or unbelievers.

Mat 5:43 “You have heard that it was said, ‘You shall love your neighbor and hate your enemy.’
Mat 5:44 But I say to you, Love your enemies and pray for those who persecute you,
Mat 5:45 so that you may be sons of your Father who is in heaven. For he makes his sun rise on the evil and on the good, and sends rain on the just and on the unjust.
Mat 5:46 For if you love those who love you, what reward do you have? Do not even the tax collectors do the same?
Mat 5:47 And if you greet only your brothers, what more are you doing than others? Do not even the Gentiles do the same?
Mat 5:48 You therefore must be perfect, as your heavenly Father is perfect. (ESV)

Joh 3:16 “For God so loved the world, that he gave his only Son, that whoever believes in him should not perish but have eternal life. (ESV)

Rom 5:8 but God shows his love for us in that while we were still sinners, Christ died for us.
Rom 5:9 Since, therefore, we have now been justified by his blood, much more shall we be saved by him from the wrath of God.
Rom 5:10 For if while we were enemies we were reconciled to God by the death of his Son, much more, now that we are reconciled, shall we be saved by his life. (ESV)

It seems rather clear that if we are to be perfect as the Father is perfect, that would include loving unbelievers, since he loved us enough when we were his enemies to send Jesus to die for us.

1Jn 2:15 Do not love the world or the things in the world. If anyone loves the world, the love of the Father is not in him.
1Jn 2:16 For all that is in the world—the desires of the flesh and the desires of the eyes and pride of life—is not from the Father but is from the world.
1Jn 2:17 And the world is passing away along with its desires, but whoever does the will of God abides forever. (ESV)

"The world" has nuanced meanings, other than "the inhabitants." It's a reference to the value system of the world, not the people; it simply cannot mean the inhabitants, based on the totality of the NT witness.
 
Hey All,
Can you explain what I did. The topic is The Golden Rule." That's what I wrote about.
That's the third time I hit send before I was done. Iam trying to violate the rules. Free, I am an old man. I am not up on all the abbreviations. What does ToS mean? Topic of subject? Thanks. Keep walking everybody. May God bless,
Taz
ToS means Terms of Service, but that post wasn't directed at you.
 
I'm glad that Jesus nor the Apostles believed or taught that, or there would be no Gentile believers--no missions or evangelism to those outside of Judaism. We are to love everyone. That is to be the basis of our conduct, whether towards believers or unbelievers.

Mat 5:43 “You have heard that it was said, ‘You shall love your neighbor and hate your enemy.’
Mat 5:44 But I say to you, Love your enemies and pray for those who persecute you,
Mat 5:45 so that you may be sons of your Father who is in heaven. For he makes his sun rise on the evil and on the good, and sends rain on the just and on the unjust.
Mat 5:46 For if you love those who love you, what reward do you have? Do not even the tax collectors do the same?
Mat 5:47 And if you greet only your brothers, what more are you doing than others? Do not even the Gentiles do the same?
Mat 5:48 You therefore must be perfect, as your heavenly Father is perfect. (ESV)

Joh 3:16 “For God so loved the world, that he gave his only Son, that whoever believes in him should not perish but have eternal life. (ESV)

Rom 5:8 but God shows his love for us in that while we were still sinners, Christ died for us.
Rom 5:9 Since, therefore, we have now been justified by his blood, much more shall we be saved by him from the wrath of God.
Rom 5:10 For if while we were enemies we were reconciled to God by the death of his Son, much more, now that we are reconciled, shall we be saved by his life. (ESV)

It seems rather clear that if we are to be perfect as the Father is perfect, that would include loving unbelievers, since he loved us enough when we were his enemies to send Jesus to die for us.

1Jn 2:15 Do not love the world or the things in the world. If anyone loves the world, the love of the Father is not in him.
1Jn 2:16 For all that is in the world—the desires of the flesh and the desires of the eyes and pride of life—is not from the Father but is from the world.
1Jn 2:17 And the world is passing away along with its desires, but whoever does the will of God abides forever. (ESV)

"The world" has nuanced meanings, other than "the inhabitants." It's a reference to the value system of the world, not the people; it simply cannot mean the inhabitants, based on the totality of the NT witness.
So, you teach Jesus changed the Law which is tantamount to Jesus destroying Himself (suicide) for the Law prophesied about Him.
 
So why do you believe Leviticus more than THE LIVING WORD and how do we reconcile this apparent conflict?
First, God gave Moses the revelation of His Word and Moses wrote it all down. The Old Testament Scripture IS the Living Word and I believe that Word is from God.

Leviticus is the third book by Moses and the keyword for this book is "holiness."
And being that God commands His people Israel to only love their fellow tribesmen in Covenant with God and God's love is holy, what Jesus said in NOT giving that which is holy to dogs (non-covenant people) makes sense, for the unsaved do not have God's love and cannot give it back.

Leviticus describes all God built and commanded in the raising of the Tabernacle and God placed the twelve tribes of Jacob in their own places as He desired them to live. Their "brother" was someone of the same tribe. Their neighbor was another tribe God situated to live next to them. "Children of thy people" refers to every member of every tribe around the Tabernacle. There were no Gentiles living near Israel since God ordered their destruction and taking their residential land.

There is no conflict.
Jesus didn't come to change the Law on love. He upheld it. Believers in Covenant with God are commanded to love their brethren in Covenant with God.
Not even God gives that which is holy to dogs (non-covenant people) nor does He cast His pearls (of which is His Holy Word) to swine (unclean, unsaved, non-elect) people.
 

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