Did Mary consent to our salvation?

[donadams]

Where is this in the Bible?
Nobody believed such things until catholicism made it up.
Beware of "other Gospels" that elevate a dead girl into things she isn't.
You exaggerate HOW blessed Mary was. But solid Bible-based Christians don't do this exaggeration.

Dead girl?

God of the living!

Matthew 22:32
I am the God of Abraham, and the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob? God is not the God of the dead, but of the living.

Jn 11:25 Jesus said unto her, I am the resurrection, and the life: he that believeth in me, though he were dead, yet shall he live:

 

[donadams]

Where is this in the Bible?
Nobody believed such things until catholicism made it up.
Beware of "other Gospels" that elevate a dead girl into things she isn't.
You exaggerate HOW blessed Mary was. But solid Bible-based Christians don't do this exaggeration.

Jn 19:26
Jesus does not make her the mother of the disciples he only declares it!
Rev 12:17

How is it biblical for Rachel to be the spiritual mother of the child of Israel? Matt 2:18

 

[Hopeful 2]

For what purpose?

For the glory of God.
To free men from subjugation to sin.

 

[Hopeful 2]

sWe are not restored back to the state of the garden till we are saved

Depending on what you mean by "state of the garden", it has already occurred.
The pure, sanctified, sons and daughters of God walk the earth now.

Are you interested in being one of us ?

 

[Hopeful 2]

Never said Mary is equal to christ

You have supplied plenty of titles equating Mary with Jesus to refute that statement.

Only God may be lawfully worshipped!

Is it a sin to spit on a rosary ?

 

[Hopeful 2]

The

council condemned the iconoclast heresy that said no images, not images

And still, your "churches" are full of "images".

 

[KV-44-v1]

In the line of king David the mother of the king is the queen, as Jesus Christ is the king of heaven and earth and the angels and saints so Mary is the queen of the same! Lk 1:32-33 the queen mother sits at His right hand and receives the petitions of the members of the kingdom!

1 kings 2:19 Bathsheba therefore went unto king Solomon, to speak unto him for Adonijah. And the king rose up to meet her, and bowed himself unto her, and sat down on his throne, and caused a seat to be set for the king's mother; and she sat on his right hand.

Lk 1:32 He shall be great, and shall be called the Son of the Highest: and the Lord God shall give unto him the throne of his father David:

Heb 4:16 Let us therefore come boldly unto the throne of grace, that we may obtain mercy, and find grace to help in time of need.
Mary’s throne! Lk 1:28 “full
Of grace”!

Protestant translation

Lk 1:28 And the angel entered to her, and said, Hail, full of grace; the Lord is with thee; blessed be thou among women.

Wycliffe Bible

Now a question: why is she blessed?

Lk 1:32-33 has NO mention of any queens or Mary. Only discusses God and Jesus. So please don't try to Catholicize that verse.
1 Kings doesn't support your cause, either.

There is ZERO EVIDENCE of Mary having a throne in Heb 4:16. Or ANYWHERE. God has a Throne, though. Read Hebrew 4:15-17 for context. Hint: there is no evidence of Mary ANYWHERE in those verses.
your "mary throne" is eigesis.

no. Luke 1:28 "And coming in, he said to her, “Greetings, favored one! The Lord is with you.”"
Grace is not mentioned here, not in NASB, anyways.

Just because someone is blessed does not make them a queen. Catholics exaggerate her blessing.

The meek are blessed too, but I don't see catholics praying to meek people. I don't see them teach exaggerated blessings of the meek.


May God bless and forgive you,
KV44

 

[KV-44-v1]

Dead girl?

God of the living!

Matthew 22:32
I am the God of Abraham, and the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob? God is not the God of the dead, but of the living.

Jn 11:25 Jesus said unto her, I am the resurrection, and the life: he that believeth in me, though he were dead, yet shall he live:

Rabbit trails and non sequiturs!

Mary is not a god or the God.

 

[KV-44-v1]

Jn 19:26

Rev 12:17

How is it biblical for Rachel to be the spiritual mother of the child of Israel? Matt 2:18

You are trying to lead me into talking about Rachel. I said nothing about her originally.

"Jesus does not make her the mother of the disciples he only declares it!"
He doesn't declare Mary to be anything in those verses.

Also, the Bible does not say WHO the woman is in Rev 12:17. For all we know it could be Jael or.... wait for it.... RACHEL!! Assuming it is Mary is an assumption.

Oh, and Cath's have a "Mary assumption". Accurate, it is assumption not fact!

 

[Simons]

So please don't try to Catholicize that verse.

love this expression....hope you haven't copyrighted it as I plan on using it

There is ZERO EVIDENCE of Mary having a throne in Heb 4:16. Or ANYWHERE. God has a Throne, though. Read Hebrew 4:15-17 for context. Hint: there is no evidence of Mary ANYWHERE in those verses.

....the Catholic's ability to see Mary in verses is truly amazing...a total lack of evidence or reason in no way deters

May God bless and forgive you,

....and you and yours

 

[GodsGrace]

You have supplied plenty of titles equating Mary with Jesus to refute that statement.

Is it a sin to spit on a rosary ?

It's a sin to spit on anything representing God or Mary, the MOTHER OF GOD.

What a terrible question Hopeful !

 

[GodsGrace]

You are trying to lead me into talking about Rachel. I said nothing about her originally.

"Jesus does not make her the mother of the disciples he only declares it!"
He doesn't declare Mary to be anything in those verses.

Also, the Bible does not say WHO the woman is in Rev 12:17. For all we know it could be Jael or.... wait for it.... RACHEL!! Assuming it is Mary is an assumption.

Oh, and Cath's have a "Mary assumption". Accurate, it is assumption not fact!

PLEASE USE THE WORD "CATHOLICS".
THANKS.

(On this forum we show respect for all denominations).

 

[Hopeful 2]

It's a sin to spit on anything representing God or Mary, the MOTHER OF GOD.

What a terrible question Hopeful !

If something represents God, or even Mary, it is a false idol.
BTW, as God has always existed, He had no need of a mother.

 

[GodsGrace]

If something represents God, or even Mary, it is a false idol.
BTW, as God has always existed, He had no need of a mother.

Then Jesus isn't God?

 

[GodsGrace]

If something represents God, or even Mary, it is a false idol.
BTW, as God has always existed, He had no need of a mother.

So it was OK to place a crucifix in urine?

 

[donadams]

For the glory of God.
To free men from subjugation to sin.

To teach and sanctify all men unto eternal salvation! Matt 28:19

With real baptism not a phony spirit baptism, but baptism in the name of the father, and of the son, and of the Holy Spirit!

John prepared the way by water baptism of repentance
Mk 16;16 faith and water baptism
Matt 28:19 faith and water baptism


The apostolic church founded by Christ and commanded to teach includes our duty to believe and obey!

Spiritual anarchy:
Accept the king but reject his kingdom, reject His revealed truth, and His authorized ministers, do they really accept the king?

Rejection of the kingdom, reject His revealed truth, and rejection of His authorized ministers is rejection of the king!

2 Timothy 2:12 …if we deny him, he also will deny us:


Spiritual blindness and bondage!
Jn 8:32 you shall know the truth!
False doctrine and error causes spiritual blindness and bondage!

The example of saul:

He thought he was doing the will of God and acting righteously until the blinding light of the risen Lord appeared!

Thick black scales!
Are named as: monsterous pride, presumption, and arrogance!

Pride always protests!

Unthinkable to a Christian who practices the virtues of Jesus Christ, humility, meekness, and obedience!

 

[donadams]

Depending on what you mean by "state of the garden", it has already occurred.
The pure, sanctified, sons and daughters of God walk the earth now.

Are you interested in being one of us ?

Dare I ask how?

The fall of adam had many effects, one example is a sin nature, prone to sin, the lower carnal passions with their lusts are no longer subject to the intellect and will as they were in our original innocence, Christ does not restore these until we die and enter into eternal salvation, until then we have to “deny thyself, take up Thy cross and follow me” & he who suffers in the flesh has ceased from sin, and Phil 1:29 faith and suffering.

Thks

 

[donadams]

You have supplied plenty of titles equating Mary with Jesus to refute that statement.

Is it a sin to spit on a rosary ?

The beads no, it’s only a means of keeping track, it’s not required
To do so on the crucifix would be to reject Christ
Do you pray the rosary or are you above such things as meditation on the passion and death of the savior?

 

[donadams]

And still, your "churches" are full of "images".

You don’t understand, images are not forbidden, the heresy opposing images is condemned

 

[donadams]

H

Lk 1:32-33 has NO mention of any queens or Mary. Only discusses God and Jesus. So please don't try to Catholicize that verse.
1 Kings doesn't support your cause, either.

There is ZERO EVIDENCE of Mary having a throne in Heb 4:16. Or ANYWHERE. God has a Throne, though. Read Hebrew 4:15-17 for context. Hint: there is no evidence of Mary ANYWHERE in those verses.
your "mary throne" is eigesis.

no. Luke 1:28 "And coming in, he said to her, “Greetings, favored one! The Lord is with you.”"
Grace is not mentioned here, not in NASB, anyways.

Just because someone is blessed does not make them a queen. Catholics exaggerate her blessing.

The meek are blessed too, but I don't see catholics praying to meek people. I don't see them teach exaggerated blessings of the meek.


May God bless and forgive you,
KV44

Queen Mary
Psalm 45

Not idolatry cos an idol must represent a god, Mary is not God and is not representing a god!

Psalm 45:2 Thou art fairer than the children of men: grace is poured into thy lips: therefore God hath blessed thee for ever.

Lk 1:28 And the angel came in unto her, and said, Hail, thou that art highly favoured, the Lord is with thee: blessed art thou among women.

Psalm45:3 Gird thy sword upon thy thigh, O most mighty, with thy glory and thy majesty.

4 And in thy majesty ride prosperously because of truth and meekness and righteousness; and thy right hand shall teach thee terrible things.

5 Thine arrows are sharp in the heart of the king's enemies; whereby the people fall under thee.

6 Thy throne, O God, is for ever and ever: the sceptre of thy kingdom is a right sceptre.

7 Thou lovest righteousness, and hatest wickedness: therefore God, thy God, hath anointed thee with the oil of gladness above thy fellows.

8 All thy garments smell of myrrh, and aloes, and cassia, out of the ivory palaces, whereby they have made thee glad.

Lk 1:32 He shall be great, and shall be called the Son of the Highest: and the Lord God shall give unto him the throne of his father David:

33 And he shall reign over the house of Jacob for ever; and of his kingdom there shall be no end.

Psalm 45:9 Kings' daughters were among thy honourable women: upon thy right hand did stand the queen in gold of Ophir.

10 Hearken, O daughter, and consider, and incline thine ear; forget also thine own people, and thy father's house;

11 So shall the king greatly desire thy beauty: for he is thy Lord; and worship thou him.

12 And the daughter of Tyre shall be there with a gift; even the rich among the people shall intreat thy favour.

13 The king's daughter is all glorious within: her clothing is of wrought gold. Rev 12:1

14 She shall be brought unto the king in raiment of needlework: the virgins her companions that follow her shall be brought unto thee.

15 With gladness and rejoicing shall they be brought: they shall enter into the king's palace.

16 Instead of thy fathers shall be thy children, whom thou mayest make princes in all the earth.

17 I will make thy name to be remembered in all generations: therefore shall the people praise thee for ever and ever.

Lk 1:30 And the angel said unto her, Fear not, Mary: for thou hast found favour with God.

Lk 1: 48 For he hath regarded the low estate of his handmaiden: for, behold, from henceforth all generations shall call me blessed.

(Except fundamentalist heretics)