Joe Paterno

[Vince]

Just inches from the goal line, and Joe Paterno fumbled the ball.

Joe Paterno has been my favorite coach since grade school, and this is a terrible way for a great man to go out.

[Mike]

I started this thread and no one responded. :

http://www.christianforums.net/f26/b...es-down-39472/

This is all they talk about on the stations I listen to. Admittedly, I listen to a lot of sports talk, but it's a top story on regular news too. Penn State Football is what I'm referred to in this thread, more so than JoePa, but he's part of the "star chamber" that rules PSU as far as I've always observed. This was the first time I've seen where he wasn't able to dictate the rules. Kinda like Coach K with Duke Basketball.

Only 1 week ago he was poised to make a bid at the first Big Ten Championship to crown his legendary career. I've always liked JoePa, but I haven't an ounce of pity for him now. I suspect he'd have never uttered a word about what he knew if it hadn't come to this. That boy who had been seen with coach Sandusky could have been spared. I imagine him terrified, unafraid to speak up, praying that someone would see something and save him from his life of torment.

The whole system failed from the intern on up to the top. I can see this as being worse than what they call "the death penalty" in college football. That school will be quagmired in legal strife for years and years.

[Vince]

It's getting worse. Penn State had a complaint on Sandusky four years before the one that Joe Pa knew about. Both Uncle Sam and Pennsylvania are investigating.

[reba]

Some things are just so very ugly we dont want to see em.

[Mike]

This is going to get a lot worse before it gets any better. Way too little - way too late for people to spring into action. I can't imagine how despised this guy, Sandusky, will be in Pennsylvania for having brought down this program and school with such atrocities.

And Penn State Football allowed him to run football camps for children after he was discovered to have done this? They allowed him to run these camps for 5 years? Sorry Vince, but everyone involved get everything they have coming to them for letting all these boys down over the years.

[Vince]

... everyone involved get everything they have coming to them for letting all these boys down over the years.

Not yet they haven't. Two Penn State officials have been arrested and Joe Pa and the president got fired. But it appears that a lot more people knew what was going on.

[reba]

STATE COLLEGE - Happy Valley was in bedlam early today as angry, chanting students ran amok in a bizarre climax to an unforgettable day that ended with the unthinkable: the firing of football legend Joe Paterno.
Chanting "Joe Pa-ter-no!" and "One More Game!" students raced to the stately Old Main administration building to express their anger that the winningest coach in major-college football history was out - fallout from the child-sex scandal involving his former top assistant, Jerry Sandusky.

God save my homeland...

[Vince]

Thee must be dozens of people at Penn State who knew enough to report it. Only one did. And Mike McQuery has been suspended for not doing enough. Do you wonder why people don't want to step forward and report crime?

McQuery is not a police officer. He risked his carer to report what he saw. His career is probably destroyed, while the people who kept their mouths shut will walk free.

[handy]

Thee must be dozens of people at Penn State who knew enough to report it. Only one did. And Mike McQuery has been suspended for not doing enough. Do you wonder why people don't want to step forward and report crime?

McQuery is not a police officer. He risked his carer to report what he saw. His career is probably destroyed, while the people who kept their mouths shut will walk free.

This is from the LA Times:
McQueary told a grand jury that he witnessed former defensive coordinator Jerry Sandusky sexually assaulting a 10-year-old boy in a campus shower in 2002. McQueary did nothing to interrupt the violence and instead reported it to Paterno, who relayed the account to Penn State's athletic director. The school never reported the information to law enforcement.

Back in 2002 this large, strong man witnessed a 10 year old boy being raped and did nothing to stop it. I'm 4'11, 50 and out of shape and let me tell you, if I EVER saw a grown man sexually assult any child I would be all over him beating the heck out of him and calling 911 as soon as possible. It is unconscienable that this man allowed a rape of a child to take place, only told his coach and then sat on the information for 9 years before coming out with it.

I. Have. NO. Sympathy!!!

His career distroyed. GOOD...just keep in mind, it's not as destroyed as the many young boys who suffered abuse between 2002 and now.

[Vince]

Two decades ago, at the paper mill, an angry employee buried a fork truck in pulp. While doing my job, I saw the mast of the fork truck sticking up but didn't realize that it had been buried (I couldn't see the other side). I was then off for three days,and when I returned, I noticed that the fork truck was still there. I investigated and found out what had happened and reported it.

Guess who they went after for not doing enough? I'll give you a hint: it wasn't the dozens of people who had walked by and not reported it. I'm sorry Folks, but if you report it, they go after you.

[Mike]

Two decades ago, at the paper mill, an angry employee buried a fork truck in pulp. While doing my job, I saw the mast of the fork truck sticking up but didn't realize that it had been buried (I culdn't see the other side). I ws then off for three days,and when I returned, I noticed that the fork truck was still there. I investigated and found out what had happened and reported it.

Guess who they went after for not doing enough? I'll give you a hint: it wasn't the dozens of people who had walked by and not reported it. I'm sorry Folks, but if you report it, they go after you.

If this is supposed to justify them not doing what should have been done, your circumstance can't be compared. This isn't vandalized machinery we're talking about. These are kids being assaulted, humiliated, and terrified in paralyzing fear. They're too afraid to tell anyone. Their one chance is that someone sees something and takes it out of their hands. Someone did, and McCreary could have ended what was happening to this one boy right there and then. Instead he did just enough to clear his conscience. He didn't even do something to stop it like pull a fire alarm. Nothing but a 29 YO man running to daddy and daddy without any wisdom either.

Joe could have done something, too, but he coward up. If anyone has the chance to save a boy from that, HE DOES IT! He does what should be done and puts his faith in God. No excuses. These are not real men! Each of them should stand eye-to-eye with each then child and explain why they didn't do what they should have to save them from a living hell!

[reba]

Two decades ago, at the paper mill, an angry employee buried a fork truck in pulp. While doing my job, I saw the mast of the fork truck sticking up but didn't realize that it had been buried (I culdn't see the other side). I ws then off for three days,and when I returned, I noticed that the fork truck was still there. I investigated and found out what had happened and reported it.

Guess who they went after for not doing enough? I'll give you a hint: it wasn't the dozens of people who had walked by and not reported it. I'm sorry Folks, but if you report it, they go after you.

Agree Vince i reported a guy smoking dope on the job got what you got....

The difference here is the child. We adults need to protect the children.... All kids not just our own...

Football has taken over the Lords day as it is now football, and all it brings, has an alter on which to sacrifice the children...

[Hitch]

My guess;

Joe should have done more.

Joe was probably not directly involved.

This is the tip of a filthy iceberg.

Criminal participants are desperately seeking a sacrificial lamb to placate the media and the authorities.


eeeeeeeeeeeeeewwwwwwwwwwwwwwwww

[handy]

Vince, I have to believe that if you saw a man sodomizing a 10 year old boy, you wouldn't just go and tell your boss and then worry that "they'll come after me if I say anything further" if you realize that your boss wasn't going to do anything about it. This is a lot different than not realizing a mast represents a buried piece of machinery. A young boy was being sodomized...probably terrified, in excruciating pain, most likely crying out, certainly being assaulted and a strong, healthy, 29 year old man walks by without stopping it.

No one can justify that Vince. I don't care if it meant that McQueary would have been fired on the spot and blackballed from working in football for the rest of his life by some kind of College Football Cosa Nostra, it still wouldn't justify walking past a little boy being forcibly raped.