The devils plan is to steal our consciousness. What that means is some people are going to be totally compromised by evil. His methodology is through spiritual meditations like astral projection, third eye, kundalini awakening, lucid dreaming. Each of these practices main concept is to initiate an out of body experience. An out of body experience is when the soul leaves the body and goes through its own journey traveling through the spirit realm. The spirit realm is a totally different realm from the realm of physicality which is where humans live. MILLIONS of people have been TRICKED into these practices and their soul leaves their body. The concept is for you to step out of yourself and come back but because you are taken to a parallel universe it is deathly hard to discern the concept is achieved leaving humans to think nothing has happened. It is there where the real life devil plans to send his angels after you to make an attack on your soul. When they do this it makes you ineligible to return to your body because these spirits are banned from the realm of physicality but are in the realm of physicality disguised as the humans they have murdered in that realm of existence. I just want to know what is the honor in this. How is it justified to put someone through this even if they did it accidentally? These people that this happens to when they come to understand this knowledg what is the point of keeping them in this realm until they die of torture and destruction allowing the fallen angel to steal their flesh in the realm of physicality and kill more humans. Potentially innocent humans. I just dont understand why these people can’t be given the opportunity of having an honorable death and just not waking up from their soul experience? Why would he let this happen to someone and say that he loved them? Why are the people that this happen to who have had their lives be destroyed entirely by demons expected to love him let alone spend the rest of eternity with him? How is it that he expects humans to fight angels and the consequence if you don’t is a stolen flesh and that angel potentially attacking everyone you love and deceiving them to think its really you? I don’t understand how he can sit by and let this happen to his creation and call himself good. Why can’t these people just be given the opportunity of an honorable death where they are cast into the lake of fire and physical body laid to rest without it being possessed by evil that was never supposed to be in the realm of physicality to begin with.
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What does he get out of evil compromising humans?
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We know that Satan comes to kill, steal and destroy those who are Christ own, John 10:10.
Can you give us the source you have used for what you have presented as the soul never leaves the body until physical death.
Can you give us the source you have used for what you have presented as the soul never leaves the body until physical death.
Genesis2:7 And the LORD God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul.
Here dust + breath/spirit from God = a living soul. When the flesh dies physically it returns back to the dust of the ground and our spirit is preserved with God for final judgment.
Here dust + breath/spirit from God = a living soul. When the flesh dies physically it returns back to the dust of the ground and our spirit is preserved with God for final judgment.
The devils plan is for us in a nutshell is to not serve or worship God . Will the devil try to control our thoughts through external means , yes he will .
Exactly, Satan does not attack those who are already his own.
Here is a link to a Christian exposing the real truth about these practices and how evil they are.
Astral projection is the practice of willfully disconnecting your mind or soul from your body and travelling around in a parallel spiritual realm called "the astral realm". This is the name given to a dimension right above us on a higher plane, thought it looks the exact same as our natural world because it's the same universe just on a higher level.
All you have to do is look up the definition. The way they are tricking people is by changing up the names but each practice provides the same result.
They disguise it with lucid dreaming or the third eye but its the same concept. The third eye is used to astral project. What happens is if the victims are unable to defeat the spirits that chain them in sleep paralysis. The spirits wake up as them and can do whatever they want as they have entirely possessed their body bc you know as a human we have a body, spirit, and a soul. But before everything we are a soul first. What happens is your soul is literally taken outside of your body and goes to the spirit realm.
Your right to say that your soul only leaves your body when it dies bc this is a form of death. A spiritual death. When you go down the rabbit hole you can find some articles where they describe it as a trip to the afterlife.
There are several problems with this. Number 1 you are being taken to a parallel universe so everything you see looks exactly the same so these practices are DESIGNED to fool humans into thinking the practice never worked at all being that the definition of a parallel reality is to look identical to actual reality.
These people wake up in their beds and think well that was dumb nothing happened but then they quickly find out bc now literal spirits are able to attach themselves to your soul/spirit bc you are traveling as one.
This is why the whole deliverance ministry is a SCAM of the devil to take money from people who are already hurting. Nobody that you see that claims to be fighting an evil spirit that has attached itself to them actually has one because that methodology is impossible.
These are the fallen angels that were banished from heaven and ever obtaining a physical form and kicked out of heaven so they plan to steal your entire flesh through possession.
Since they are banned from the realm of physicality it is impossible for a spirit to touch a humans physical body as they are not physical. This is why they must lure the human outside of themselves through these practices to their dimension where they can attack them because the lord sees traveling in spirit as an abomination and an occult practice. That is how the victim of spirit invasion is seen as the bad guy and deserving of the evil that has happened to them.
This is how the devil walks this world. People travel in spirit, sin, then an evil spirit wastes no time attaching itself to their spirit and thats where the deception begins. Bc this is a parallel universe all your family, friends, and everyone you know are their and it is very subtle but they are actively using master manipulations on you to overwhelm you to the point where you die.
The people that travel in spirit either become deceived by the spirits to believe that the wealthy and famous all worship the devil but if you jump the gun on that to quick you will end up just like them. You will listen to the spirits, worship the devil, while not knowing that you are in an entirely different dimension and the consequence of that is they are going to kill your soul leaving know part of you to return to your body so that the spirit that has attached itself to you has stolen what it wanted all along. A physical body.
People will be tricked through the hard times they go through into doing this sort of meditation bc they desperately need God. That is when satan is going to waste no time sending the angels to attack you. That is why this world has gone to total crud bc hes taking already hurting people and using an entire false dimension to the destroy them so that he can kill more people or bring them to that dimension and win more bodies.
In this journey you will be sent a bible and you don’t know who to believe it is from. You will read it and you will see and understand all the evil the lord has done in the old testament to people who sinned and you will not be able to distinguish good from evil. Thats why this is definitely going to be checkmate for millions of people.
Nobody is going to be able to deliver you from spirits as every single deliverance minister is after money. Think about how evil that is. Only delivering people from satan if they have the money to pay you when satan has destroyed your finances entirely.
The only way to defeat the spirits is to fight them yourself through weeks of fasting, prayer, and reading scripture heavily. That will knock off the chains the evil spirits are using to keep you in that dimension and from waking up from this terrible dream.
So whats really going on is we have a person who is tricked by satan to involve themselves in these practices, then they are brutally attacked by spirits mind you it will take some years to find out its a spirit behind all of this bc it will start off very subtle but prompt you to go to your physician.
The doctors are going to be adamant that nothing is wrong with you medically even while you feel the presence of that evil as they are speaking so it will make you adamant that they are wrong leading you to a lengthy medical diagnosis journey bc you are going to believe you caught something that hasnt been detected and its the luck of your draw.
This is going to take your, money, your stability, your friends, your family. Literally everything from you and then you will be the bad guy because the lord isn’t just grabbing you out of this. He is going to make you fast and fight the spirits for upwards of weeks. Its absolutely horrible.
Mark 5:1-20 is the definitive passage on demon possession and its effects in the Bible. Some of the details about demons the Bible reveals in this passage are:
1. Devils want to be near dead human bodies or tombs (vs. 2, 3, 5).
2. They can cause unusual strength (vs. 3-4).
3. They can make a person unreasonable or immune to sensible persuasion (vs. 4).
4. They cause excessive crying (vs. 5).
5. They cause sadistic and masochistic behavior (vs. 5).
6. They have an affinity for heights (vs. 5).
7. They recognize Christ as "the Son of God" and appeal to Him (vs. 6-7).
8. They know they deserve torment and dread it (vs. 6-7).
9. They have names (vs. 9).
10. More than one can possess the same body (vs. 9).
11. They desire to stay in the same geographical region or "country" (vs. 10).
12. They would rather indwell an animal body than none at all (vs. 12).
13. They can cause animals to kill themselves (vs. 13).
14. They desire to be in a body when it dies (vs. 13).
15. They have a desire for water (vs. 13).
Mark 9:17-29 gives us even more details about devils:
16. They can cause dumbness and deafness (vs. 17, 25).
17. They cause rabid animal like behavior (vs. 18).
18. They can indwell from childhood (vs. 21).
19. They cause suicidal behavior (vs. 22).
20. They resist leaving a body and violently "rent" it while leaving (vs. 26).
21. There are different kinds of devils. Some have more power than others (vs. 29).
22. Some can only be removed by prayer and fasting of believer (vs. 29).
Ephesians 6:12 states Satan has a hierarchy of "devils" in his kingdom, "For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places." Thus some devils have more power and authority than others.
In Daniel 10:13 (as well as Mark 9:29) there is an example of this. "The prince of the kingdom of Persia" withstood the angel sent to explain Daniel's vision to him for 21 days. He could only break free when the angel Michael came and helped him overcome the powerful "prince." The "prince" may have been Satan, but more likely he was a very powerful devil.
Spiritually born again Christians who are indwelled with the Holy Spirit, Romans 8:9-11; 1 Corinthians 3:16; 6:19, could never have a demon possess them, but one can oppress them like that of Paul's thorn in the flesh. The Holy Spirit would not allow a demon to possess the same person He is dwelling in.
1 Peter 1:13-25; 2 Corinthians 5:17-20, God would not allow a demon to enter into one of His own as we are a new creation in Christ covered by His blood. We wage war with Satan and his demons on a daily basis, but not from within ourselves as we are of God and through Christ we have overcome them because greater is He that is in us than he that is in the world, 1 John 4:4.
Ephesians 6:10-20 we put on the full armour of God everyday in order to stand against the evil one and his demons. The believer has overcome the world of demons and nowhere in scripture does it say that one of God's own can be demon possessed.
Scriptural support for fallen angels stealing your flesh through possession ?
Ok thats the exact issue. We expect a 1500 page book to contain all the answers and mysteries of life as if its like some cheat code.
You don’t ask for scriptural support of the existence of iphones but iphones definitely exist. So how can you even imply its impossible tor the fallen angels to have possessed people if it doesn’t directly say that can happen in the bible.
People who astral project are signing up for their souls being extracted from their bodies. Thats the entire concept and it works bc that isn’t always what is directly told to the victim. This is all done through reverse psychological attacks. There are people out there that are claiming astral projection to not be for everyone bc there is a chance of you running into entities that attach themselves to your spirit during this experience.
They shed the light on what can happen during astral projection to portray that they are against that kind of evil happening to people but then turn around and tell them instead they should try opening their third eyes or lucid dream which is going to lead to the same exact result of astral projection which is even worse than projection bc if you astral project you are expecting there to be a shift. Through the methodology of bad mouthing one practice and coercing the people into another that is exactly the same allows these beings to make it so the people dont even know what just hit them. They have to then make the connections between the practices to understand they all lead to the same extraction of the soul/out of body experience.
To say it isn’t real is to say satan doesn’t have entry into this world even when he as people have seen countless acts that can described as nothing but pure evil. But you mean to tell me possession can’t happen bc the bible didn’t say so. Wake up and use your brain and think bc if you dont you will not be able to distinguish good from evil and evil from good.
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Are we talking Milton's Lucifer or the general Satanel who is just an agent of God to test the faith of believers.
We are told as Christians all of the answers are not in the book , because we are told this in John 14 .
26 But the Comforter, which is the Holy Ghost, whom the Father will send in my name, he shall teach you all things, and bring all things to your remembrance, whatsoever I have said unto you.
We are told demons/evil spirits/devils can possess people . Do you think fallen angels are the same as demons ?
NO ONE should sign up for astral projection or opening their third eye or lucid dreaming . They will be opening themselves up to demons . Witchcraft .
Have you read Annie Jacobsen's book ? I have , it is about astral projection .
Phenomena: The Secret History of the U.S. Government's Investigations into Extrasensory Perception and Psychokinesis
We are told demons/evil spirits/devils can but not fallen angels .
Evil has visited me more than once , I understand . Ephesians 6
12 For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places.
Have you read Annie Jacobsen's book ? I have , it is about astral projection .
Phenomena: The Secret History of the U.S. Government's Investigations into Extrasensory Perception and Psychokinesis
Do you think fallen angels are the same as demons ?
No I haven’t read it but it does look interesting.
As for fallen angels being demons that is a very hard question to ask because since I’ve made this post my feelings on scripture have changed significantly. If you asked me when I made this post last month my answer would have been an immediate yes.
Since then I have talked with lots of different people of faith deliberately to see the methodology of response. What I have come up with is there is indeed an algorithmic procedure at hand to combat questions regarding contradictions of the bible.
1. You do not get an answer instead they will completely dis acknowledge your question. Or they will completely justify evil bc it is written down that it is good.
2. Victim blame or point the finger, call them sinners
3 Cite scripture to prove the bible that is being questioned.
4 Become accusatory of being rebellious or in love with your sin.
5 Remind you of how in hell your going to be burning forever.
Aside from this question in this post, I asked another regarding the actions God took in the Old testament and they are all justified bc god is good and can’t be evil bc the bible says so. I am a person that has learned to trust my intuition bc of the evil that I have experienced for not doing so and my intuition here is telling me methods of psychological manipulation are being used against people who point out the contradictions of the bible in an attempt to silence the one who doesn’t submit to what others did.
This is what then caused me to question the entire bible. If you educate yourself on manipulation, narcissism, gaslighting, and passive aggression tactics you will find these same exact tactics are being used against people who question these contradictions. Who ask how can the judgement of sin be stoning but when a killer messiah believes hes sent by god to kill the sinners a totally different spirit is responsible. Even when the messiah will justify his evil actions the same way the people of this religion will justify the evil stonings of the bible but in the same breath claim they come from different spirits.
What they are subliminally saying is that the powers of good and evil are not only limited to time but also result of the actions committed. If stoning people wasn’t indeed evil it wouldn’t have been stopped but it was. So why did “good” stop doing something that was good? Bc it was determined to be evil, and if it was determined to be evil how can good be responsible. That is completely antithetical.
It is the dissecting of scriptures with this specific procedure that causes the whole thing to fall apart. I am not trying to get anybody to trust my intuition over their own but rather to ask themselves the same questions I have and come up with their own deductive reasoning which I simply don’t believe is possible.
This doesn’t mean that I do not believe that energies of good and evil exist, thats not what I am saying by a long shot. What I truly believe is that good cannot be responsible for evil and if we see evil committed their is a reason we recognize it as evil and not coming from something that is good. But we are trained intentionally to not withhold the same distinguish ent of good and evil when we believe it is coming from good. We instead justify it because it is only written down on a piece of paper but if what is written down actually comes to pass in modern day their is a reason our intuitive spirit recognizes the action as evil.
Justifying evil committed by good is the beginning phase of committing evil yourself and wholeheartedly believing the spirit that coerced you into that evil was indeed good. It is total mind control. I suggest you study the tactics of cult leaders and see how eerily similar to the judgements of the bible.
If you look at commercials, celebrities, people of the greatest influence. Take Beyonce for example. Would Beyonce be Beyonce if she werent commonly perceived as beautiful? No she would not and that would mean when she tried to influence people into doing something people would laugh. But bc she is who she is there will be people out there that jump off a bridge with hee solely bc of how appeasing to the eye she is. But if someone who wasn’t born with her natural beauty and did the same they would be the only ones jumping off that bridge.
This is the same methodology satan uses against the people. If he shows up as himself as evil nobody will listen but if he changes his form to light hes able to create a killer messiah.
So back to your question. I don’t know if I would call demons fallen angels bc I simply dont believe the bible is a source of truth of good bc of the countless acts of evil that people can justify with having faith or the lack thereof.
As for fallen angels being demons that is a very hard question to ask because since I’ve made this post my feelings on scripture have changed significantly. If you asked me when I made this post last month my answer would have been an immediate yes.
Since then I have talked with lots of different people of faith deliberately to see the methodology of response. What I have come up with is there is indeed an algorithmic procedure at hand to combat questions regarding contradictions of the bible.
1. You do not get an answer instead they will completely dis acknowledge your question. Or they will completely justify evil bc it is written down that it is good.
2. Victim blame or point the finger, call them sinners
3 Cite scripture to prove the bible that is being questioned.
4 Become accusatory of being rebellious or in love with your sin.
5 Remind you of how in hell your going to be burning forever.
Aside from this question in this post, I asked another regarding the actions God took in the Old testament and they are all justified bc god is good and can’t be evil bc the bible says so. I am a person that has learned to trust my intuition bc of the evil that I have experienced for not doing so and my intuition here is telling me methods of psychological manipulation are being used against people who point out the contradictions of the bible in an attempt to silence the one who doesn’t submit to what others did.
This is what then caused me to question the entire bible. If you educate yourself on manipulation, narcissism, gaslighting, and passive aggression tactics you will find these same exact tactics are being used against people who question these contradictions. Who ask how can the judgement of sin be stoning but when a killer messiah believes hes sent by god to kill the sinners a totally different spirit is responsible. Even when the messiah will justify his evil actions the same way the people of this religion will justify the evil stonings of the bible but in the same breath claim they come from different spirits.
What they are subliminally saying is that the powers of good and evil are not only limited to time but also result of the actions committed. If stoning people wasn’t indeed evil it wouldn’t have been stopped but it was. So why did “good” stop doing something that was good? Bc it was determined to be evil, and if it was determined to be evil how can good be responsible. That is completely antithetical.
It is the dissecting of scriptures with this specific procedure that causes the whole thing to fall apart. I am not trying to get anybody to trust my intuition over their own but rather to ask themselves the same questions I have and come up with their own deductive reasoning which I simply don’t believe is possible.
This doesn’t mean that I do not believe that energies of good and evil exist, thats not what I am saying by a long shot. What I truly believe is that good cannot be responsible for evil and if we see evil committed their is a reason we recognize it as evil and not coming from something that is good. But we are trained intentionally to not withhold the same distinguish ent of good and evil when we believe it is coming from good. We instead justify it because it is only written down on a piece of paper but if what is written down actually comes to pass in modern day their is a reason our intuitive spirit recognizes the action as evil.
Justifying evil committed by good is the beginning phase of committing evil yourself and wholeheartedly believing the spirit that coerced you into that evil was indeed good. It is total mind control. I suggest you study the tactics of cult leaders and see how eerily similar to the judgements of the bible.
If you look at commercials, celebrities, people of the greatest influence. Take Beyonce for example. Would Beyonce be Beyonce if she werent commonly perceived as beautiful? No she would not and that would mean when she tried to influence people into doing something people would laugh. But bc she is who she is there will be people out there that jump off a bridge with hee solely bc of how appeasing to the eye she is. But if someone who wasn’t born with her natural beauty and did the same they would be the only ones jumping off that bridge.
This is the same methodology satan uses against the people. If he shows up as himself as evil nobody will listen but if he changes his form to light hes able to create a killer messiah.
So back to your question. I don’t know if I would call demons fallen angels bc I simply dont believe the bible is a source of truth of good bc of the countless acts of evil that people can justify with having faith or the lack thereof.
It comes down to you trusting your intuition or you trusting God . Your choice , choose wisely
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