Yeah.
It's like you can't win.
I think they force voting with the threat of penalties because otherwise people won't show up to vote.
But how can voting be forced??
I feel like we're losing our freedoms,,,everywhere.
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Why the republicans are destined to fail
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It's like you can't win.
I think they force voting with the threat of penalties because otherwise people won't show up to vote.
But how can voting be forced??
I feel like we're losing our freedoms,,,everywhere.
Milk-Drops
Member
It's definatley the first. It started with Reagan and the federal unions. Regan peeled back many of the protections for unions and many states became "right to work" states to get around unions.
Manufacturing also was massively deported to exploit developing nations with huge debts tobthe world Bank. There is also the partnering with China to get cheaper goods, but the double edged sword was the destruction of the American buying power due to the collapse of the Middle class.
China caused a problem here too,,,with loss of jobs.
What is a RIGHT TO WORK state?
But I have to leave....
Tomorrow.
Milk-Drops
Member
There are more than 2. I would say that the modern Democrat party and Republican party both want to keep the economic status quo. Dems see the importance of appealing to middle class and educated urban centers. Republicans have their base in rural America and finance (banks, stockS, commodities).
So dems push more progressive issue because their base live in diverse areas and Republicans push for more culturally limiting possessions because of its evangelical and small town base.
Economics breaks down the same. Rural areas don't have high infrastructure costs and less population, so Dem policies don't always makes sense. Republican policies alienate minority groups and people that need infrastructure and labor stability.
They are not Democrat . And that will probably be all it will take to get them back in the White House . The current admin is dumpster fire .
Milk-Drops
Member
Ok, basicly right to work states font have to play ball with unions and can fire you for any reason. It's at will empliyment. It's sounds good on paper, but it galls apart when companies can churn in low level employees with barely any benefits and lay them off before benefits ki k in, or can limit hours and wages to avoid benefits at all.China caused a problem here too,,,with loss of jobs.
What is a RIGHT TO WORK state?
But I have to leave....
Tomorrow.
Just this and I have to go....
This is how I see this ideology war:
One side is conservative
And the other seems to want to change everything, including our culture, which is beyond progressive to me.
They're both digging their heels in and only God knows how this tear in our country will end up.
As to your description of the cities vs rural areas...I agree.
Over here it's looking like a mess...
jasonc
Member
im part of a union, it didnt save me from being made to exit the job i would rather stay in. should cops and firemedics be able to strike? what about if that occured with public utilities.
right now the very guy who runs the sewer and water plants are ex cons as these usually have the license and expercience. power plant employees also can be ex cons.
when the city, municipal decides to down size as the voters ask, you get the pink slip despite the union.
even under fdr who was hardly pro property rights , he didnt believe in public unions. i know both sides of this fence well. but i also know that inflation is horrible. i can rent my house and make double what i pay for it in principle and intersest.
Milk-Drops
Member
Yes, all unions need to be able to strike. It's one of the most important tools to make sure workers are not exploited. It's the cost. Cops, fire fighters, etc are part of infrastructure and they need to be able to voice when they are exploited.
Do what, better than them being homeless or having to go back to crime whi h solves zero problems.
Then striking should come back.
Nope, this is far from reality. All of FDR's plans were to prevent a socialist uprising. None of his policies devolved public property by any means. Instead his policies were to tax based on the amount of private property ( let's be clear here, large amounts of land and capital) a person or group used.
Unions gained more ground in the US post world War 2 because of the rise of manufacturing, coal and the failing of company towns.
Milk-Drops
Member
Joe Manchester state has a long history of the workers having to go to literal war with company yawns to get off scrip and get paid real US tender.
jasonc
Member
in other words when the large cities need cops and the national guard and federal military(those are not the same in this context, they can strike and what ever happens.
look my mom is union. she retired from bells south and was made too. where is all those unionized bell south operators now?
oh wait the cell phone service eliminated those jobs. and just before that the green card carrying immigrants.
bell south and its history of buying out old private and small municipal phone grids is part of the hobby. my mom told me of a few. one being lake worth, the other i told her about okeechobee. the city i often mention had that as well but it was a small one and private and ma bell got that some time in the early 20s. they never owned phone booths until the late 60s as all of those they paid a local man who sold their lines to maintain and the land they were on. but he owned all of them from south of the cape to city limits of west palm beach.
you mean that the fact the fdr created a command economy that favored those voted for him?
you mean price controls? that he did during ww2, you couldnt have a barn on a farm, and not have power unless you physically lived in it. you had a gas and oil ration card and food card. i have family who remember that and neither are democrats today despite when that was the case my county was democrat and formed by them. both are over 80 and one is in the 90s.
im hardly fond of what you call capitalists but unions do block mistreat non union workers.? they do, the power plant here was built by both and the union workers could only use the easier escalator do build that plant and the non union guys couldnt and both had the same time limits on them to get the job done.
but that is fair?
i cant see you getting your water and power cut off and not turned on or repaired during a strike?
i have seen plenty of union reasons on what discourages actual work. i cut a tree in a parking lot that didnt take long because my work truck was touching it and being scratched. union rules would have me taking a job from the park guys, they get paid hourly no matter what. that 5 minute job and one time at that wouldnt harm them. i wasnt going to mow or trim city hall. it is no different if i go to fleet where i used to work and plug a tire and replace light bulb and wiper blades, as they know i can. it is no different if i were to help them mount a tire and torque it. i have done both when i was done and just bs ing and waiting to wash my truck and clean that beast.
plenty of meter readers i have seen leave, some fired for slacking. the current accounting director who is above our department doesnt care, she has the city manager behind her. if they think someone is that bad they fire them fast. they do have rules and i can say even in my state, the outside market is more hesistant to fire then it was even 10 years ago. i get in trouble on my part time job if i work over 6 and dont take a break and its not so with my union city job. i have not ate lunch a few time and there is no set time to do reading meters. my boss says he cant make me skip that but can punish me if do fail to finish a route. so i do finish routes and any assigned turn offs and or read and leave on and check reads first.
jasonc
Member
locally the housing market is contorted agaisnt locals as the banks and sellers see the incoming new yorkers and californians as big spenders and these drive up the costs.
you cant ignore that. the idea of a tiny house isnt new. i can easily go photo the old segrated one. here i have one that is often found in poor black areas and while not sold to them just common and few were built on small farms as either a farmstead, grove workers. yet we have this new idea of doing that all again. segregate then into tiny communities as the county to the south plans to. meaning if wanted to buy the empty lot near me and build several, i simply couldnt because of the state.
the boarded up one and the colored one was designed by bahamians and is called often the coconut grove shotgun house/south florida shotgun house and has a few variations. these are all over , mostly in older parts of the county and in poor areas but it wasnt always the poor that had them.
you cant ignore that. the idea of a tiny house isnt new. i can easily go photo the old segrated one. here i have one that is often found in poor black areas and while not sold to them just common and few were built on small farms as either a farmstead, grove workers. yet we have this new idea of doing that all again. segregate then into tiny communities as the county to the south plans to. meaning if wanted to buy the empty lot near me and build several, i simply couldnt because of the state.
the boarded up one and the colored one was designed by bahamians and is called often the coconut grove shotgun house/south florida shotgun house and has a few variations. these are all over , mostly in older parts of the county and in poor areas but it wasnt always the poor that had them.
Corn Pop
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I'm someone who never forgets. I mean I remember Jesus saying the homeless will always be with you and his word over 2000 years later is still trustworthy, yet the PM vowed there would be no homeless in 4 weeks. Its now near 4 years since she said that and im still waiting. There is even more homelessness now so her words are kind of like going backwards.
Jacinda Ardern vows to get all NZ homeless off the streets before winter
The New Zealand government has vowed to find shelter for the country’s homeless population in time for winter.
www.sbs.com.au
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Actually, the current work environment is highly favorable to the workers, unions, etc. Employers can't find people to work and that gives the ones that are working extreme power. Why aren't they taking advantage of the situation?
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Milk-Drops
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We are. Wages are finally starting to go up. But there is still only so much wiggle room. Since the wave of people retiring is also hitting at the same time as the pandemic, the need for employees is going up. Unions are still not on a favorable position because many companies will still rather fire an employee than allow organization. Amazon showed this all throughout last year with there meddling.
Unfortunately, with the multi-trillions of dollars given away, and dare I say primarily for the purpose of winning votes, inflation is being driven through the roof making most wage increases of no value. When the cost of living goes up faster than wages the net result is still a loss.
Why did you start this thread? Sounds like your basically making a statement without any real thought as to why. Are you that much of a Democrat that you can't even give a valid reason for it?
Truth is, unions are only as strong as their unity and it doesn't require laws. If I own a company and all of my employees refuse to work until I agree to bargain, I'm screwed, especially if qualified replacement workers are not readily available. Unions break up when they lose foresight and unity.
There is no law that requires anyone to work for any one company and conversely there are no laws requiring companies to remain in business. When companies and unions are unwilling to work together for the benefit of everyone, they fail. It's a 2-way street. Companies need qualified workers and people need good jobs. Put the two together and things can work very well but build animosity and things take a dump fast.
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