Christian's! Why have you forsaken me?

[Ghostbuster]

I guess in my entire 40 year's on this planet, I have met with hundreds of Christian's. In all that time spent, I can't even remember when one of them has wanted to know me. They were never interested in my hopes or dreams, my thoughts or feelings, my troubles or fears.

They tell me Christianity is about a relationship, but how can you have a relationship with someone without knowing them through & through? How could they have ever loved me, when they never took the time to just be a friend.

 

[for_his_glory]

My ultimate hope is to overcome believing thing's, something that's difficult to do in a world like this. My one and only dream is for my daughter to forgive me for not being in her life enough. My fear is that I might stop learning & die in misery.

Not exactly sure what you mean in overcoming things you believe. Are these just things you assume about yourself, about others, about the world or universe, or actually factual things you believe.

As for your daughter have you ever sat down and talked with her and apologized for not being there, but now want to make up for the lost years and be the father she needs.

We never stop learning so why do you feel you would die in misery.

 

[for_his_glory]

Ghostbuster

As a child of God we do not entangle ourselves with the affairs of this world or universe, but set our sights on the Spiritual things of God and what He has for us for our well-being while here on this earth until the day Jesus returns and we are than gathered to Him and will have eternal life with Him. At that time there will be no more pain, sorrow or any evil present as God will renew this old earth and we will live in paradise with Him.

You might not think prayer works, but we do as it has been proven to us in our own individual lives.

 

[JohnDB]

I'm not sure exactly what a non-Christian wants from Christians and behaves as if we owe him something...this whole thing is very puzzling.

 

[Ghostbuster]

Look, I really don't know what your situation with is with your daughter but I'm really curious what this is really about. Unbelief in God, or anger at God? You don't have to answer that question if you don't want to it's just something to think about.

I don't believe to not believe in a God, and neither can I be angry at a God who I'm not actually holding any particular belief about. In my understanding, holding a belief about something is in no way a certainty of knowing a fact.

If the Christian God was real, do you think that all the beliefs Christian's have about him would measure up to the fact of what he really was 100% ?

 

[HeIsRisen2018]

I don't believe to not believe in a God, and neither can I be angry at a God who I'm not actually holding any particular belief about. In my understanding, holding a belief about something is in no way a certainty of knowing a fact.

If the Christian God was real, do you think that all the beliefs Christian's have about him would measure up to the fact of what he really was 100% ?

Can you or somebody else on here please rephrase this because I'm not really sure what you're getting at.

 

[Ghostbuster]

Well, you are on a Christian Forum and you are talking to Christians. So, you must know we believe in the power of prayer.

You are our guest, and so far I hope you have been treated kindly and with respect. As our guest, I would appreciate the same consideration toward us.

Put it this way, my mommy taught me at a very young age that when we went to grandmas for dinner, we never complained about the food because grandma worked hard to make it, so we not only were taught to show appreciation for her work, but we were taught to respect her as well.

In the same way, when we offer to pray for you, then we expect you to appreciate the kindness in our gesture, regardless if you believe in prayer or not. And because you are our guest and you came here knowing we believe in God, we expect you to respect our belief.

Thank you.

There is no area of the human brain that requires us to believe, pray or assume supernatural constructs. It's simply not designed to accept belief systems period.

 

[for_his_glory]

There is no area of the human brain that requires us to believe, pray or assume supernatural constructs. It's simply not designed to accept belief systems period.

That's because the carnal mind can not perceive the things of God and is a hostile enemy against God.

Romans 8:5 For they that are after the flesh do mind the things of the flesh; but they that are after the Spirit the things of the Spirit. 6 For to be carnally minded is death; but to be spiritually minded is life and peace. 7 Because the carnal mind is enmity against God: for it is not subject to the law of God, neither indeed can be. 8 So then they that are in the flesh cannot please God.

 

[for_his_glory]

Ghostbuster

My question to you is are we to prove God is real as we can not do that for you. All we can do is try and answer questions you have and give our own witness and testify of God and how He is very real in our own lives.

You are here either to learn, or just play around. I pray you are here seeking to know God.

 

[HeIsRisen2018]

Ghostbuster

My question to you is are we to prove God is real as we can not do that for you. All we can do is try and answer questions you have and give our own witness and testify of God and how He is very real in our own lives.

You are here either to learn, or just play around. I pray you are here seeking to know God.

If he's not at least we won't have to worry about ghosts invading the forum. Sorry Deb, I'll shut up now as JohnDB puts it, the fruit was hanging so low I had to grab it while I had the chance.

 

[stovebolts]

There is no area of the human brain that requires us to believe, pray or assume supernatural constructs. It's simply not designed to accept belief systems period.

I think God created each of us in a unique manner, including yourself.

But we also try to adhere to common courtesies including being respectful toward each other as well as being sensitive to each others beliefs.

For example, your ideology believes there is no belief in the supernatural or the power of prayer while my ideology believes in the supernatural and the power of prayer.

The way I figure it, we differ in ideology. But we are both human beings sharing this big blue rock that circles the sun. We might as well enjoy the company of one another. You seem like a decent fellow and if like to get to know you better.

 

[JohnDB]

See,
It works something like this:

If I go to a shaving forum they talk all about shaving. Razors, creams, aftershave and etc.

If you go to a sewing forum they talk about patterns, sewing machines, thread, and needles and etc.

If you go to a Moslem forum they talk about Mohammed and the Koran and prayers and etc.

Buddhist site....

But instead of all the different forums he came here...must want to talk about Jesus.
Because if he went to a shaving forum and had a 20year old uncut/untrimmed beard and didn't plan on shaving anytime soon what is he doing there? Just to argue about the demerits of shaving? Kinda odd IMHO.

 

[HeIsRisen2018]

See,
It works something like this:

If I go to a shaving forum they talk all about shaving. Razors, creams, aftershave and etc.

If you go to a sewing forum they talk about patterns, sewing machines, thread, and needles and etc.

If you go to a Moslem forum they talk about Mohammed and the Koran and prayers and etc.

Buddhist site....

But instead of all the different forums he came here...must want to talk about Jesus.
Because if he went to a shaving forum and had a 20year old uncut/untrimmed beard and didn't plan on shaving anytime soon what is he doing there? Just to argue about the demerits of shaving? Kinda odd IMHO.

I'm really starting to think somebody on here called the Ghostbusters and that's why he's here. ROTFL!!! Sorry, it's just that darn low fruit!

 

[stovebolts]

See,
It works something like this:

If I go to a shaving forum they talk all about shaving. Razors, creams, aftershave and etc.

If you go to a sewing forum they talk about patterns, sewing machines, thread, and needles and etc.

If you go to a Moslem forum they talk about Mohammed and the Koran and prayers and etc.

Buddhist site....

But instead of all the different forums he came here...must want to talk about Jesus.
Because if he went to a shaving forum and had a 20year old uncut/untrimmed beard and didn't plan on shaving anytime soon what is he doing there? Just to argue about the demerits of shaving? Kinda odd IMHO.

So... Does this mean we can't talk about shaving a Muslim, spinning his hair into thread that can be used sew cool things?

 

[JohnDB]

So... Does this mean we can't talk about shaving a Muslim, spinning his hair into thread that can be used sew cool things?

We actually can...and just did.

 

[HeIsRisen2018]

So... Does this mean we can't talk about shaving a Muslim, spinning his hair into thread that can be used sew cool things?

You own this forum remember? You can talk about Thumbelina marrying Tom Thumb if you want to ROTFL!! Yeah I know, I'm just in one of those moods tonight.

 

[JohnDB]

You own this forum remember? You can talk about Thumbelina marrying Tom Thumb if you want to ROTFL!! Yeah I know, I'm just in one of those moods tonight.

But I wanna talk about commercial kitchen equipment....

 

[HeIsRisen2018]

But I wanna talk about commercial kitchen equipment....

Do you also want some cheese with that whine? XD

 

[HeIsRisen2018]

Btw, you do realize that you can start a thread of your boring kitchen appliance talk in the lounge right? Sorry, I just love giving you a hard time.

 

[Ghostbuster]

Can you or somebody else on here please rephrase this because I'm not really sure what you're getting at.

We don't need to believe thing's, that's all I'm saying. Believing thing's creates mental chaos, because the brain can't process sensory information that is false. Beliefs are assumption based, and therefore distort the sensory information the brain collects.

 

[WIP]

It might be good to get this thread back on the topic of the OP's questions. Don't want to distract things too far.

My ultimate hope is to overcome believing thing's, something that's difficult to do in a world like this. My one and only dream is for my daughter to forgive me for not being in her life enough. My fear is that I might stop learning & die in misery.

I might be able to relate a little to your situation with your daughter. My ex-wife and I divorced when our son was seven years old. Shortly afterward, I went back to school (technical institute) and the end result was that I picked up a job but had to move over 300 miles away. This made it very difficult to see my son, particularly when his mother wouldn't agree to meet me half way when I would go to pick him up for my weekend visitation. Over the years we drifted apart and I too was concerned that he could possibly hold a grudge. My hope was that one day, possibly after he was a grown man, we could find a way to connect.

About ten years ago my prayers were answered when he called me and said he would like to find a way to "start over." He now lives only about an hour away with his wife and son, my only grandchild so far.