Do any of the rules change in any way now that we live in end days with satan and his demons being on earth and 666 is being given out?

[ervin p]

I have asked this question somewhere else and I want to ask here.

I’ll just start by posting the following from the book of Revelations:

Revelation 12:9 the great dragon was cast out, that serpent of old, called the Devil and Satan, who deceives the whole world; he was cast to the earth, and his angels were cast out with him.

And the following:

Revelation: 12:16He causes all, both small and great, rich and poor, free and slave, to receive a mark on their right hand or on their foreheads, 17and that no one may buy or sell except one who has the mark or the name of the beast, or the number of his name.

18Here is wisdom. Let him who has understanding calculate the number of the beast, for it is the number of a man: His number is 666.

Now, I am interested in others opinion of whether you think that any rules so to say change because of the devil and his demons being all on earth, and because of the 666 being given out? What do you think this means for us?

Thanks

 

[humble soul]

Is that a record? For long thread titles I mean . 30 words.
I'm impressed.

 

[ervin p]

I’ll explain what I actually think:

Ok, following describes the signs:

2 Timothy 3:1:5 But understand this, that in the last days there will come times of difficulty. For people will be lovers of self, lovers of money, proud, arrogant, abusive, disobedient to their parents, ungrateful, unholy, heartless, unappeasable, slanderous, without self-control, brutal, not loving good, treacherous, reckless, swollen with conceit, lovers of pleasure rather than lovers of God, having the appearance of godliness, but denying its power. Avoid such people.

I think the above is happening at the moment. Look at how some people dress. So much tight clothing for instance. Others walking around with their jeans hanging down where a lot is exposed, including underwear. Very sexualised content of shows that sometimes play in middle of the day. All this is a norm in a big part of the world. We have had two world wars. There’s a lots of nuclear weapons in the world. We have had earthquakes, tsunami, now the virus, etc.

However I have to admit that following like hasn’t happened: Matthew 24:5 For many will come in My name, saying, ‘I am the Christ,’ and will mislead many.

Now, if we are living very close and the 666 is being given( I believe that giving out the number is an ongoing process, which some will receive through different paths) out and someone has the gift of the Spirit of discernment of spirits and he can somehow maybe know that he can’t help some “individuals”, would that than maybe change some rules?

Thanks

 

[JLB]

I’ll explain what I actually think:

Ok, following describes the signs:

2 Timothy 3:1:5 But understand this, that in the last days there will come times of difficulty. For people will be lovers of self, lovers of money, proud, arrogant, abusive, disobedient to their parents, ungrateful, unholy, heartless, unappeasable, slanderous, without self-control, brutal, not loving good, treacherous, reckless, swollen with conceit, lovers of pleasure rather than lovers of God, having the appearance of godliness, but denying its power. Avoid such people.

I think the above is happening at the moment. Look at how some people dress. So much tight clothing for instance. Others walking around with their jeans hanging down where a lot is exposed, including underwear. Very sexualised content of shows that sometimes play in middle of the day. All this is a norm in a big part of the world. We have had two world wars. There’s a lots of nuclear weapons in the world. We have had earthquakes, tsunami, now the virus, etc.

However I have to admit that following like hasn’t happened: Matthew 24:5 For many will come in My name, saying, ‘I am the Christ,’ and will mislead many.

Now, if we are living very close and the 666 is being given( I believe that giving out the number is an ongoing process, which some will receive through different paths) out and someone has the gift of the Spirit of discernment of spirits and he can somehow maybe know that he can’t help some “individuals”, would that than maybe change some rules?

Thanks

The Lord will give us a greater measure of His grace, as sin abounds. Grace is His Spirit, the Spirit of grace to empower us to overcome.


His grace is sufficient for us.




JLB

 

[for_his_glory]

The other sign John saw was a great red dragon meaning Satan. Remember, this is a vision and a sign as Satan has not yet been thrown out of heaven yet. The description of the dragon being great and red depicts its nature and character as being fierce and murderous, John 8:44. This red dragon is depicted as having seven heads, ten horns, and seven crowns upon his heads. The seven heads and ten horns refer to the original ten kingdoms of which three were subdued by the little horn of Daniel 7:8. The last kingdom which stands greater than all the others is that of a revived Roman Empire that takes control over all the ten nations who then implements a deceiving peace treaty to a world that is in great distress. Below is that of the seven kingdoms described as four beasts in Daniel 7:1-8 and the three kingdoms that were subdued by the little horn, which is the Roman Empire.

The three kingdoms that were subdued by the little horn of Daniel 7:24 are the Heruli, Vandals, and Ostrogoths who were eliminated by the year 538 AD under the leadership of the Eastern Roman Emperor Justinian whose deadly wound came in 1798. The wound was largely healed in 1929 when Mussolini gave the Vatican back to the Pope and established it as a country in it's own right in the Lateran Treaty. Today the Vatican has formal diplomatic relations with almost every country in the world. We will study this more in Chapter 13.

Seven remaining nations that still exist today:

Babylonian Empire:
(Iraq) The lion represents the winged lions that guarded the royal places of Babylon.

Medo – Persian Empire:
(Iran) The ribs of the bear are part of the consuming greed that devours the first empire.

Grecian Empire:
(Greece, Turkey, Syria, Egypt) Four wings of the leopard described the swiftness of this empire that ran from 334-331BC. It wrestled world dominion from Medo-Persia. After the death of Alexander, the Great the kingdom was divided into four minor kingdoms that continued as prominent factors in world politics until the Roman Empire gathered it back as one kingdom.

Roman Empire: (little horn, Daniel 8:9-14, 23-27)
Iron represents the stronghold this nation had. Daniel chapter 2 mentions the iron element of this empire that it to will be divided and broken as God will set up a kingdom that will never be destroyed.

The crowns on its heads show that this dragon claims royal authority against the true King who is God of all creation as he prepares to take his seat above all that which is Gods Kingdom claiming he is God as he prepares to deceive the world through that of an existing Roman Empire, Daniel 8:9-12; Isaiah 14:12-15.

These angels that Satan cast down to earth are a third part of Gods holy angels that have made their allegiance to Satan as he uses them to work through the lust of others here on earth. The spiritual kingdom of Satan and his demon angels is the spiritual realm below the Spiritual realm where God and His angels dwell. Satan is called the prince of the power of the air as being the ruler of the kingdom of the air, Ephesians 2:2-6; 6:12. He has access to the heavenly realm of God, but only through Gods permission as he stands before God accusing the brethren, Zechariah 3:1, Job 1:6, 7; Revelation 12:10. Satan has access to God and also spiritually walks to and fro on earth as he works through others to deceive the nations, Job 1:7. This is how he was allowed to tempt Job and tried to deceive Jesus, Matthew 4:1.

These angels are used of Satan to speak heresies against God as Satan uses them to control the thoughts and minds of those with a lustful heart. Hebrews 13:2 says not to be forgetful to entertain strangers as some are angels unaware to them. Satan also uses his angels unaware to people to deceive them with a twisted word and false religions that lead into idol worshiping as these idols become their gods.

Even now we see history repeating itself in the persecution, and even the death of those in other countries for their witness and testimony of Christ as they will not bow down to this Luciferian system and its mark of this beast we read about in Rev 13.

Rev 13:18 Here is wisdom. Let him that hath understanding count the number of the beast: for it is the number of a man; and his number is Six hundred threescore and six.

This beast is also explained in 2 Thessalonians 2:1-12.

 

[Edward]

Now, if we are living very close and the 666 is being given( I believe that giving out the number is an ongoing process, which some will receive through different paths) out and someone has the gift of the Spirit of discernment of spirits and he can somehow maybe know that he can’t help some “individuals”, would that than maybe change some rules?

I prayed about this very thing before and the Lord told me that I am not to let anyone new into my inner circle of trust unless He approves of them. So...long story short, pray about all of these people and ask.

 

[Who Me]

Do the rules change?

What rules?

As Christians we follow Jesus and his command to us was.
If you love me obey my commands. His command was to love as he loved us.
That is totally and sacrificially.

That has not and will not change, just because one is suffering is no reason for God to change anything.

 

[for_his_glory]

Heb 13:7 Remember them which have the rule over you, who have spoken unto you the word of God: whose faith follow, considering the end of their conversation.
Heb 13:8 Jesus Christ the same yesterday, and to day, and for ever.
Heb 13:9 Be not carried about with divers and strange doctrines. For it is a good thing that the heart be established with grace; not with meats, which have not profited them that have been occupied therein.

 

[ervin p]

The other sign John saw was a great red dragon meaning Satan. Remember, this is a vision and a sign as Satan has not yet been thrown out of heaven yet. The description of the dragon being great and red depicts its nature and character as being fierce and murderous, John 8:44. This red dragon is depicted as having seven heads, ten horns, and seven crowns upon his heads. The seven heads and ten horns refer to the original ten kingdoms of which three were subdued by the little horn of Daniel 7:8. The last kingdom which stands greater than all the others is that of a revived Roman Empire that takes control over all the ten nations who then implements a deceiving peace treaty to a world that is in great distress. Below is that of the seven kingdoms described as four beasts in Daniel 7:1-8 and the three kingdoms that were subdued by the little horn, which is the Roman Empire.

The three kingdoms that were subdued by the little horn of Daniel 7:24 are the Heruli, Vandals, and Ostrogoths who were eliminated by the year 538 AD under the leadership of the Eastern Roman Emperor Justinian whose deadly wound came in 1798. The wound was largely healed in 1929 when Mussolini gave the Vatican back to the Pope and established it as a country in it's own right in the Lateran Treaty. Today the Vatican has formal diplomatic relations with almost every country in the world. We will study this more in Chapter 13.

Seven remaining nations that still exist today:

Babylonian Empire:
(Iraq) The lion represents the winged lions that guarded the royal places of Babylon.

Medo – Persian Empire:
(Iran) The ribs of the bear are part of the consuming greed that devours the first empire.

Grecian Empire:
(Greece, Turkey, Syria, Egypt) Four wings of the leopard described the swiftness of this empire that ran from 334-331BC. It wrestled world dominion from Medo-Persia. After the death of Alexander, the Great the kingdom was divided into four minor kingdoms that continued as prominent factors in world politics until the Roman Empire gathered it back as one kingdom.

Roman Empire: (little horn, Daniel 8:9-14, 23-27)
Iron represents the stronghold this nation had. Daniel chapter 2 mentions the iron element of this empire that it to will be divided and broken as God will set up a kingdom that will never be destroyed.

The crowns on its heads show that this dragon claims royal authority against the true King who is God of all creation as he prepares to take his seat above all that which is Gods Kingdom claiming he is God as he prepares to deceive the world through that of an existing Roman Empire, Daniel 8:9-12; Isaiah 14:12-15.

These angels that Satan cast down to earth are a third part of Gods holy angels that have made their allegiance to Satan as he uses them to work through the lust of others here on earth. The spiritual kingdom of Satan and his demon angels is the spiritual realm below the Spiritual realm where God and His angels dwell. Satan is called the prince of the power of the air as being the ruler of the kingdom of the air, Ephesians 2:2-6; 6:12. He has access to the heavenly realm of God, but only through Gods permission as he stands before God accusing the brethren, Zechariah 3:1, Job 1:6, 7; Revelation 12:10. Satan has access to God and also spiritually walks to and fro on earth as he works through others to deceive the nations, Job 1:7. This is how he was allowed to tempt Job and tried to deceive Jesus, Matthew 4:1.

These angels are used of Satan to speak heresies against God as Satan uses them to control the thoughts and minds of those with a lustful heart. Hebrews 13:2 says not to be forgetful to entertain strangers as some are angels unaware to them. Satan also uses his angels unaware to people to deceive them with a twisted word and false religions that lead into idol worshiping as these idols become their gods.

Even now we see history repeating itself in the persecution, and even the death of those in other countries for their witness and testimony of Christ as they will not bow down to this Luciferian system and its mark of this beast we read about in Rev 13.

Rev 13:18 Here is wisdom. Let him that hath understanding count the number of the beast: for it is the number of a man; and his number is Six hundred threescore and six.

This beast is also explained in 2 Thessalonians 2:1-12.

Thanks For His glory. I have a question: Do you think that demons can take on a human form and live among us?

 

[ervin p]

The Lord will give us a greater measure of His grace, as sin abounds. Grace is His Spirit, the Spirit of grace to empower us to overcome.


His grace is sufficient for us.

Thanks JLB, that’s very good to know.



JLB

 

[Quantrill]

I have asked this question somewhere else and I want to ask here.

I’ll just start by posting the following from the book of Revelations:

Revelation 12:9 the great dragon was cast out, that serpent of old, called the Devil and Satan, who deceives the whole world; he was cast to the earth, and his angels were cast out with him.

And the following:

Revelation: 12:16He causes all, both small and great, rich and poor, free and slave, to receive a mark on their right hand or on their foreheads, 17and that no one may buy or sell except one who has the mark or the name of the beast, or the number of his name.

18Here is wisdom. Let him who has understanding calculate the number of the beast, for it is the number of a man: His number is 666.

Now, I am interested in others opinion of whether you think that any rules so to say change because of the devil and his demons being all on earth, and because of the 666 being given out? What do you think this means for us?

Thanks

I believe the casting out of satan and his angels from Heaven, or the air, is a yet future time. satan and his angels and demons, or wicked spirits, have been around on this earth since the fall of satan.

Likewise, the 666 system has yet to be established, though satan is always working towards it. (2 Thess. 2:7) The anti-christ has not been revealed at this time either.

So, it seems that you are asking about a change of rules now as if these things in the book of (Revelation) have already taken place. As they haven't, there is no change of any rules.

When that time does occur, then there will be changes. The Church is gone due to the Rapture. The Gospel of grace, which is used during the Church era, will no longer be preached. It will be the Gospel of the Kingdom or the everlasting Gospel, once again. as God is dealing with Israel once again.

I do not believe satan's angels, or demons, can change their appearance into a man. They seek to embody a person, and can, but I don't know of any Scripture that indicates they can change their appearance into a man. satan fully indwelt Judas at one point. (Luke 22:3) And no doubt he will indwell the anti-christ also. (2 Thess. 2:8-9) Reading through the Gospels you will find demons possessing many people.

Quantrill

 

[JLB]

I believe the casting out of satan and his angels from Heaven, or the air, is a yet future time.

Amen.


Then the woman fled into the wilderness, where she has a place prepared by God, that they should feed her there one thousand two hundred and sixty days.
And war broke out in heaven: Michael and his angels fought with the dragon; and the dragon and his angels fought, but they did not prevail, nor was a place found for them in heaven any longer. So the great dragon was cast out, that serpent of old, called the Devil and Satan, who deceives the whole world; he was cast to the earth, and his angels were cast out with him.
Revelation 12:6-9

• he was cast to the earth, and his angels were cast out with him.

This event is associated with the great tribulation, three and a half years.



JLB

 

[JLB]

The Church is gone due to the Rapture.

The resurrection, rapture and destruction of the antichrist all occur at the coming of the Lord.


For this we say to you by the word of the Lord, that we who are alive and remain until the coming of the Lord will by no means precede those who are asleep. 1 Thessalonians 4:15



JLB

 

[Cygnus]

Do any of the rules change in any way now that we live in end days with satan and his demons being on earth and 666 is being given out?

Probably not. You'll be conditioned to take the 666 mark...even stand in line for it.

After all you locked yourself down and are wearing a mask. Conditionind for the New World Order.

 

[for_his_glory]

Thanks For His glory. I have a question: Do you think that demons can take on a human form and live among us?

The term demon comes from the Greek "daimon". Demons (fallen angels) are also called evil spirits, unclean spirits and devils in scripture as they are disembodied spirits as angels have no form. The use of the terminology of demons, evil spirits, unclean spirits and devils are interchangeable in scripture as they all mean the same thing. They exist in a demonic realm as principalities, Romans 8:38, 39; Ephesians 6:12, and have a hierarchy of rulership controlled by Satan as being his messengers, Matthew 12:22-30; Mark 3:22; Luke 4:35. They have no physical form, but can viciously posses a body, Matthew 8:16-31; 12:43-45. Demons are numerous in numbering and can also speak like the Legion (2000) of unclean spirits in Mark 5:9.

 

[for_his_glory]

When that time does occur, then there will be changes. The Church is gone due to the Rapture.

Pretrib teachers twist and add to Rev 4:1, 2 to show we are caught up to Jesus before the great tribulation (God's great wrath). This is a deceptive teaching as it is only John being caught up in the Spirit while being a prisoner on the isle of Patmos as he sees a vision of a door opening before him. The first voice he heard speaking to him was that of great power and authority similar to the powerful sound a trumpet makes. The voice tells John to draw in closer to Gods Spirit to see the visions of those things that are yet future. After hearing this voice John was immediately immersed (slain) in the Holy Spirit and the visions were revealed to him. Being slain in the Spirit is like those disciples in John 18:6 who fell backwards when they realized the Spirit of Christ as being the I Am. It's also like that of Paul's conversion on the road to Damascus in Acts 9:3-8. Many, including myself, that have ever experienced this knows what I am talking about.

There is no mention in scripture about a so called secret quiet rapture or a second chance after the saints of God are caught up to meet Jesus in the air. Jesus will descend with a shout and with the trump of God. This does not sound like it’s going to be a quiet so called rapture does it. And every eye will see him and every knee will bow saints and those who choose to reject Jesus. The Holy Spirit dwells in us the believers and isn’t something that just floats around in the air so for this reason when we are taken up so is the Holy Spirit giving no one a second chance because we are sealed by Gods Spirit for Salvation, Ephesians 1:13-14 and after the Spirit is taken up no one has a second chance.

1 Thessalonians 4:16 for the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first:

Revelation 1:7 Behold, he cometh with clouds; and every eye shall see him, and they also which pierced him: and all kindreds of the earth shall wail because of him. Even so, Amen.

John 14:17 Even the Spirit of truth; whom the world cannot receive, because it seeth him not, neither knoweth him: but ye know him; for he dwelleth with you, and shall be in you.

2 Corinthians 1:21 Now he which establisheth us with you in Christ, and hath anointed us, is God; 22 Who hath also sealed us, and given the earnest of the Spirit in our hearts.

Ephesians 1:13 In whom ye also trusted, after that ye heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation: in whom also after that ye believed, ye were sealed with that holy Spirit of promise, 14 Which is the earnest of our inheritance until the redemption of the purchased possession, unto the praise of his glory.

Ephesians 4:30 And grieve not the holy Spirit of God, whereby ye are sealed unto the day of redemption.

John 5:28 Marvel not at this: for the hour is coming, in the which all that are in the graves shall hear his voice, 29 And shall come forth; they that have done good, unto the resurrection of life; and they that have done evil, unto the resurrection of damnation.

John 6:40 And this is the will of him that sent me, that every one which seeth the Son, and believeth on him, may have everlasting life: and I will raise him up at the last day.

 

[Cygnus]

Thanks For His glory. I have a question: Do you think that demons can take on a human form and live among us?

Apparently they can.
Heb 13:2 Do not neglect to show hospitality to strangers, for thereby some have entertained angels unawares.

The example above is for Gods angels. Demons are angels all though fallen. I don't know if there is an example in the bible about demons takng on human form.

There are also christians who think the "sons of God" in Gen 6 were fallen angels who took on the form of humans and took human females as wives and their children were the Nephilim. The giants

Could it be their technology that built the pyramids?
What could thie technology do today?
Could they be flying aircraft from one dimension into our dimension? UFO's

 

[Quantrill]

The resurrection, rapture and destruction of the antichrist all occur at the coming of the Lord.


For this we say to you by the word of the Lord, that we who are alive and remain until the coming of the Lord will by no means precede those who are asleep. 1 Thessalonians 4:15



JLB

The 'coming of the Lord' in (1 Thess 4:15) is the Lord meeting the Church in the air. (4:17). It is not when the Lord comes back to the earth at the Second Coming. Those who are asleep are those Christians who have already died.

Your time line has the Church going through the Tribulation. Why?

Quantrill

 

[Quantrill]

Pretrib teachers twist and add to Rev 4:1, 2 to show we are caught up to Jesus before the great tribulation (God's great wrath). This is a deceptive teaching as it is only John being caught up in the Spirit while being a prisoner on the isle of Patmos as he sees a vision of a door opening before him. The first voice he heard speaking to him was that of great power and authority similar to the powerful sound a trumpet makes. The voice tells John to draw in closer to Gods Spirit to see the visions of those things that are yet future. After hearing this voice John was immediately immersed (slain) in the Holy Spirit and the visions were revealed to him. Being slain in the Spirit is like those disciples in John 18:6 who fell backwards when they realized the Spirit of Christ as being the I Am. It's also like that of Paul's conversion on the road to Damascus in Acts 9:3-8. Many, including myself, that have ever experienced this knows what I am talking about.

There is no mention in scripture about a so called secret quiet rapture or a second chance after the saints of God are caught up to meet Jesus in the air. Jesus will descend with a shout and with the trump of God. This does not sound like it’s going to be a quiet so called rapture does it. And every eye will see him and every knee will bow saints and those who choose to reject Jesus. The Holy Spirit dwells in us the believers and isn’t something that just floats around in the air so for this reason when we are taken up so is the Holy Spirit giving no one a second chance because we are sealed by Gods Spirit for Salvation, Ephesians 1:13-14 and after the Spirit is taken up no one has a second chance.

1 Thessalonians 4:16 for the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first:

Revelation 1:7 Behold, he cometh with clouds; and every eye shall see him, and they also which pierced him: and all kindreds of the earth shall wail because of him. Even so, Amen.

John 14:17 Even the Spirit of truth; whom the world cannot receive, because it seeth him not, neither knoweth him: but ye know him; for he dwelleth with you, and shall be in you.

2 Corinthians 1:21 Now he which establisheth us with you in Christ, and hath anointed us, is God; 22 Who hath also sealed us, and given the earnest of the Spirit in our hearts.

Ephesians 1:13 In whom ye also trusted, after that ye heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation: in whom also after that ye believed, ye were sealed with that holy Spirit of promise, 14 Which is the earnest of our inheritance until the redemption of the purchased possession, unto the praise of his glory.

Ephesians 4:30 And grieve not the holy Spirit of God, whereby ye are sealed unto the day of redemption.

John 5:28 Marvel not at this: for the hour is coming, in the which all that are in the graves shall hear his voice, 29 And shall come forth; they that have done good, unto the resurrection of life; and they that have done evil, unto the resurrection of damnation.

John 6:40 And this is the will of him that sent me, that every one which seeth the Son, and believeth on him, may have everlasting life: and I will raise him up at the last day.

You and others confuse the Rapture with the Second Coming. Two different events. Just as you confuse the Church with Israel.

Why would the Church go through the Tribulation period? It is for Israel, not the Church. It is the time of Jacobs trouble. (Jer. 30:7) Not the time of the Churches trouble.

Quantrill

 

[Cygnus]

You and others confuse the Rapture with the Second Coming. Two different events. Just as you confuse the Church with Israel.

Why would the Church go through the Tribulation period? It is for Israel, not the Church. It is the time of Jacobs trouble. (Jer. 30:7) Not the time of the Churches trouble.

Quantrill

Jesus returns twice...once the way He left in the clouds and a second time riding a white horse.