IS JESUS THE LITERAL SON OF GOD?

[Butch5]

I think everyone agrees that the Father sent Jesus and Jesus came to do the Fathers will.
There's weightier testimony from Jesus Himself such as the Father is the only true God and His God. And Revelation seems to hold to the testimony Jesus gave that the Father is His God.

I think you need to look at what Paul wrote. Jesus is the firstborn of all things created. (all creation) - The first of Gods works or the beginning of the creation of God.
This also has a point in history and is from the will of another. "the fullness was pleased to dwell in Him" and the only other at that point in history was the Father. The one Jesus calls His God and our God.
So Jesus's spirit would have been formed as the first of Gods works and the fullness was gifted. And the one gifting is defining Jesus's being. In that gifting Jesus is the radiance of Gods glory and the exact representation of Gods being. The exact image of the invisible God. He is all that the Father is. He would also be one with the Father as the fullness of the Deity or Godhead that lives/dwells in Him is the Fathers. All that was created according to the Fathers will and at His command HE created through Jesus. Jesus is before all things except the Father and in Him all things hold together and are sustained. That is the Father's will. The Father is the one who glorifies Jesus.
So simply Jesus is Gods firstborn.
So this question, "Is Jesus God?"
Is answered
He never dies
Yes, He is all that the Father is.
No, He has always been the Son.

He is the manifestation of the "glory" of our great God and savior Jesus. - the radiance of Gods glory

So Jesus was with the Father in the beginning and He is all that the Father is (God in that context) and all things were made through Him.

Now at the appointed time a body was prepared for Him. And the Son who was, (His Spirit), was in the tent of that body and the Father was living in Him. Always and forever they are one.

Jesus on the cross, "Father into your hands I commit My Spirit"

I'm not sure which side you're coming down on. However, my point was that Jesus literally came out of God.

 

[Butch5]

I read that the concept of the Trinity did not come to the Catholic church until centuries after Christ was born. So I think that means people believe different things about the Trinity and whether the Trinity exists. When I don't know something I just use my imagination and follow my heart. I Think Jesus is the son of God and carries his traits, like my daughter carries my traits, but is still a separate entity. But I don't know for sure. I'll ask God when I get to heaven.

The Trinity doctrine did come about later. It's a 5th century doctrine. The first real evidence we see of it is in the Athanasian Creed. Before that the idea of three coequal, co-eternal persons was not held

 

[Susannah]

I get criticized a lot for using my imagination when it comes to God. So be it. In my imaginnation there's a little family in heaven. God the Holy Spirit and Jesus.
In the scripture God made us in His image. Our families here on earth comprise a male and female and child. So that would make the Holy Spirit feminine. Oops. Did I say that again. Forgive me, I'm just a dreamer. I dreamed as a child about love. And then God and Jesus and the Holy Spirit came into my life. And my dreams came true. I grew up in a dysfunctional family so you can see why I would want to imagine a beloved family in heaven.

 

[Randy]

I'm not sure which side you're coming down on. However, my point was that Jesus literally came out of God.

My side is truth. I know my Lord. I know who He is. He did come from above and was sent by the Father and came to do the Fathers will. But who is He to you before He came from above? I addressed that in what I wrote so that you should know my understanding.

yet for us there is but one God, the Father, from whom all things came and for whom we live; and there is but one Lord, Jesus Christ, through whom all things came and through whom we live.

 

[Butch5]

My side is truth. I know my Lord. I know who He is. He did come from above and was sent by the Father and came to do the Fathers will. But who is He to you before He came from above? I addressed that in what I wrote so that you should know my understanding.

yet for us there is but one God, the Father, from whom all things came and for whom we live; and there is but one Lord, Jesus Christ, through whom all things came and through whom we live.

I still don't see what this has to do with what I said. Jesus said that He came out of the Father. If He came out of the Father then He ans the Father are not the same being. Are you arguing that they are the same being?

 

[Randy]

I still don't see what this has to do with what I said. Jesus said that He came out of the Father. If He came out of the Father then He ans the Father are not the same being. Are you arguing that they are the same being?

Did you actually read what I wrote? Anyway I am not arguing anything. I gave my understanding. No they are not the same person. But they are one as the fullness of the Deity that lives/dwells in Jesus is the Father. Jesus, as a Son, has His own spirit which was formed as the first of Gods works. Jesus is before all things except the Father. Jesus is Gods firstborn. The firstborn of all things. (all creation) He has always been the Son. This also has a starting point in history and is from the will of another. "The fullness was pleased to dwell in Him" I do not envision a Jesus apart from the fullness ever so I would state the fullness was gifted at His beginning which would be some point in history before the world began. Before all other things except the Father. In that gifting of the fullness Jesus is the radiance of Gods glory and the exact representation of Gods being. The image of the invisible God or simply Jesus is all that the Father is. In that context He is mighty God. He was with the Father in the beginning and all things were made through Him. In that gifting He and the Father are one always and forever. A body was prepared for Him and the Son who was,(His spirit), was in the tent of that body and the Father was living in Him speaking and working through Him. Again they are one in that manner. Jesus inherited all things from the Father so that all that belongs to the Father also belongs to Him. Jesus received all authority in heaven and earth from the Father so all have been made subject to Him except the one who gave Him that authority.
One God the Father and one Lord Jesus Christ.
And Jesus has made us a kingdom, of priests to serve His God and Father. To His praise and glory.

 

[Butch5]

Did you actually read what I wrote? Anyway I am not arguing anything. I gave my understanding. No they are not the same person. But they are one as the fullness of the Deity that lives/dwells in Jesus is the Father. Jesus, as a Son, has His own spirit which was formed as the first of Gods works. Jesus is before all things except the Father. Jesus is Gods firstborn. The firstborn of all things. (all creation) He has always been the Son. This also has a starting point in history and is from the will of another. "The fullness was pleased to dwell in Him" I do not envision a Jesus apart from the fullness ever so I would state the fullness was gifted at His beginning which would be some point in history before the world began. Before all other things except the Father. In that gifting of the fullness Jesus is the radiance of Gods glory and the exact representation of Gods being. The image of the invisible God or simply Jesus is all that the Father is. In that context He is mighty God. He was with the Father in the beginning and all things were made through Him. In that gifting He and the Father are one always and forever. A body was prepared for Him and the Son who was,(His spirit), was in the tent of that body and the Father was living in Him speaking and working through Him. Again they are one in that manner. Jesus inherited all things from the Father so that all that belongs to the Father also belongs to Him. Jesus received all authority in heaven and earth from the Father so all have been made subject to Him except the one who gave Him that authority.
One God the Father and one Lord Jesus Christ.
And Jesus has made us a kingdom, of priests to serve His God and Father. To His praise and glory.

That is the fullness?

 

[Randy]

That is the fullness?

yes
All the fullness of the deity or godhead.
Jesus is all that the Father is in that unity and one with the Father. Another God wasn't made as the fullness was gifted.

 

[Butch5]

yes
All the fullness of the deity or godhead.
Jesus is all that the Father is in that unity and one with the Father. Another God wasn't made as the fullness was gifted.

I don't agree that Jesus is all that the Father is.

 

[Randy]

I don't agree that Jesus is all that the Father is.

The Son is the radiance of God's glory and the exact representation of his being, sustaining all things by his powerful word. After he had provided purification for sins, he sat down at the right hand of the Majesty in heaven.

 

[GodIsMySavior]

I don't think He's speaking of the incarnation but is trying to state Jesus has always been the Son.
"The literal Son of the Father"

According to John and Revelation, that would be a correct assessment.
Jhn 1:
1 In beginning was the Word, and the Word was toward/near<4314> God and God was the Word
2 He was in the beginning with God.

1 Corin 10:4 And all the same drink spiritual they drank, for they drank out of the spiritual following Rock and that Rock was the Christ.

Reve 12:5 And she brought forth a Son, male, who is being about to be Shepherding all the Nations in iron rod/staff. And is caught-away the offspring<5043> of her toward/near<4314> God and *toward His throne

Rev 2:18
“And to the angel of the church in Thyatira write, ‘These things says the Son of God, who has eyes like a flame of fire, and His feet like fine brass:

Rev 19:13 He was clothed with a robe dipped in blood, and His name is called The Word of God.
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A vid I found by a Rabbi on this:

Discovering the Jewish Jesus with Rabbi Schneider

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You can find info about R Schneider doing a google search. I have never heard of him.

rabbi schneider - Google Search

www.google.com

 

[JLB]

He is the manifestation of the "glory" of our great God and savior Jesus. - the radiance of Gods glory

Jesus is our great God and Savior, as the Son of God.


For the grace of God that brings salvation has appeared to all men, teaching us that, denying ungodliness and worldly lusts, we should live soberly, righteously, and godly in the present age, looking for the blessed hope and glorious appearing of our great God and Savior Jesus Christ, who gave Himself for us, that He might redeem us from every lawless deed and purify for Himself His own special people, zealous for good works. Titus 2:11-14

• looking for the blessed hope and glorious appearing of our great God and Savior Jesus Christ

Simon Peter, a bondservant and apostle of Jesus Christ,
To those who have obtained like precious faith with us by the righteousness of our God and Savior Jesus Christ:
2 Peter 1:1

• by the righteousness of our God and Savior Jesus Christ:

JLB

 

[JLB]

Jesus is before all things except the Father. Jesus is Gods firstborn. The firstborn of all things. (all creation) He has always been the Son.

Yes agreed.


Jesus created all things as God. Not the Father, but as the Son.


He is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn over all creation. For by Him all things were created that are in heaven and that are on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or dominions or principalities or powers. All things were created through Him and for Him. And He is before all things, and in Him all things consist. Colossians 1:15-17


For by Him all things were created that are in heaven and that are on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or dominions or principalities or powers.


All things were created through Him and for Him.


What is just as true is, The Father and the Spirit also created all things.


We can say all things were created by God;
Elohim, The Godhead


We know Jesus created the heavens and the earth.


But to the Son He says:
“Your throne, O God, is forever and ever;
A scepter of righteousness is the scepter of Your kingdom.
You have loved righteousness and hated lawlessness;
Therefore God, Your God, has anointed You
With the oil of gladness more than Your companions.”
And:
“You, LORD, in the beginning laid the foundation of the earth,
And the heavens are the work of Your hands. Hebrews 1:8-10



JLB

 

[Randy]

Jesus is our great God and Savior, as the Son of God.


For the grace of God that brings salvation has appeared to all men, teaching us that, denying ungodliness and worldly lusts, we should live soberly, righteously, and godly in the present age, looking for the blessed hope and glorious appearing of our great God and Savior Jesus Christ, who gave Himself for us, that He might redeem us from every lawless deed and purify for Himself His own special people, zealous for good works. Titus 2:11-14

• looking for the blessed hope and glorious appearing of our great God and Savior Jesus Christ

Simon Peter, a bondservant and apostle of Jesus Christ,
To those who have obtained like precious faith with us by the righteousness of our God and Savior Jesus Christ:
2 Peter 1:1

• by the righteousness of our God and Savior Jesus Christ:

JLB

while we wait for the blessed hope and the manifestation of the glory of our great God and Savior, Jesus Christ.
The Son is the radiance of Gods glory.

 

[Randy]

Jesus is our great God and Savior, as the Son of God.


For the grace of God that brings salvation has appeared to all men, teaching us that, denying ungodliness and worldly lusts, we should live soberly, righteously, and godly in the present age, looking for the blessed hope and glorious appearing of our great God and Savior Jesus Christ, who gave Himself for us, that He might redeem us from every lawless deed and purify for Himself His own special people, zealous for good works. Titus 2:11-14

• looking for the blessed hope and glorious appearing of our great God and Savior Jesus Christ

Simon Peter, a bondservant and apostle of Jesus Christ,
To those who have obtained like precious faith with us by the righteousness of our God and Savior Jesus Christ:
2 Peter 1:1

• by the righteousness of our God and Savior Jesus Christ:

JLB

2 peter 1:2
Grace to you, and peace be multiplied in the acknowledgement of God and of Jesus our Lord!

Jude 1
to the only God our Savior, through Jesus Christ our Lord, be glory, majesty, power, and authority, before all time and now and forever. Amen.

Believe in Him not me
Now this is eternal life: that they know you, the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom you have sent.

Paul stated who He was
"The firstborn of all creation"
He didn't state true God from true God.
He didn't state always was.

He did state
"The fullness was pleased to dwell in Him"
and that's a point in history and from the will of another

As the firstborn of all things created Jesus is before all things except His God.
With the gifting of the fullness Jesus is all that the Father is. God in that context.

It didn't state Jesus made the creation for Himself.
Is stated the creation was made through Him and for Him - that also shows from another which has to be the Father.

What you should see is the Father is the one who glorified and glorifies Jesus

Jesus is not a High Priest forever to Himself.
The LORD has sworn
and will not change His mind:
“You are a priest forever
in the order of Melchizedek

Everything Jesus is He received from the Father. The one He calls the only true God and His God and our God.

Is Jesus God?
He never dies
Yes, He is all that the Father is
No, He has always been the Son

 

[JLB]

while we wait for the blessed hope and the manifestation of the glory of our great God and Savior, Jesus Christ.
The Son is the radiance of Gods glory.

The Son is our great God and Savior.

This is undeniable.



JLB

 

[JLB]

Is Jesus God?

Yes. Jesus Christ is the Lord God.

YHWH, THE GREAT I AM.




JLB

 

[tigger 2]

What Bible translation are folks here using for Titus 2:13?

We can find a number of translations and commentaries of Titus 2:13 which render it as referring to two persons:

13 lokynge for that blessed hope and appearynge of the glory of ye greate God and of oure Sauioure Iesu Christ - Coverdale

13 lokynge for þe blessed hope & appearinge of the glory of the greate God, & of oure sauioure Iesu Christ, - The Great Bible

13 Looking for that blessed hope, and appearing of that glorie of that mightie God, and of our Sauiour Iesus Christ, - Geneva

13 abidinge the blessid hope and the comyng of the glorie of the greet God, and of oure sauyour Jhesu Crist; - Wycliffe

13 lokinge for that blessed hope and glorious apperenge of ye myghty god and of oure savioure Iesu Christ - Tyndale

13 in expectation of that desirable happiness, the glorious appearance of the supreme God, and of our saviour Jesus Christ, - Mace

13 awaiting the blessed hope of the appearance of the Glory of the great God and of our Saviour Christ Jesus, - Moffatt

13 expecting the blessed hope; namely, the appearing of the glory of the great God, and of our Saviour Jesus Christ; - The Living Oracles

13 looking for the blessed hope, and appearing of the glory of the great God and of our Saviour Jesus Christ; - Noyes

13 waiting for the blessed hope, the glorious appearing of the great God and of our Savior Christ Jesus, - Riverside

13 looking for the blessed hope and appearing of the glory of the great God and of our Saviour Jesus Christ, - Sawyer

(KJV) Looking for that blessed hope, and the glorious appearing of the great God and our Saviour Jesus Christ;

(New American Bible - 1970) as we await our blessed hope, the appearing of the glory of the great God and of our Savior Christ Jesus

(New American Bible - 1991) as we await the blessed hope, the appearance of the glory of the great God and of our savior Jesus Christ

(New American Bible - 2010) as we await the blessed hope, the appearance of the glory of the great God and of our savior Jesus Christ

(A New Translation in Plain English - Charles K. Williams) while we wait for the blessed thing we hope for, the appearing of the glory of the great God and of our Saviour Jesus Christ

And while we live this life we hope and wait for the glorious denouement of the Great God and of Jesus Christ our saviour. - Phillips

We are to be looking for the great hope and the coming of our great God and the One Who saves, Christ Jesus. - NLV

13 Looking for that blessed hope, and appearing of that glory of that mighty God, and of our Savior Jesus Christ. - GNV

"looking for that blessed hope and glorious appearing of the mighty God and of our Saviour Jesus Christ," - NMB

According to An Idiom-Book of New Testament Greek, by C. F. D. Moule, Cambridge, England, 1971, p. 109, at Titus 2:13, the sense "of the Great God, and of our Saviour Jesus Christ ... is possible in [New Testament] Greek even without the repetition [of the definite article before the second noun]."

Noted British NT scholar and clergyman Henry Alford wrote: "I would submit that [a translation which clearly differentiates God from Christ at Titus 2:13] satisfies all the grammatical requirements of the sentence: that it is both structurally and contextually more probable, and more agreeable to the Apostle’s [Paul’s] way of writing: and I have therefore preferred it." - The Greek Testament, p. 421, Vol. 3.

 

[OzSpen]

Due to the trinity teaching, it is believe by majority of churches that Jesus Christ is not the literal begotten Son of God, but instead an equal, co-eternal God alongside the Father, and never had a beginning. Some people astonishingly, even believe that the Jesus and the Father are the same being.This is all thanks to the confusing trinity teaching. The trinity teaching says that Jesus had no beginning and the Father, Son and Holy Spirit are three co-equal, co-eternal beings that are just playing a 'family role'. In other words, they are just play acting these roles of Father and Son. Because you are either a literal Father and Son, or you are just playing the roles.

So according to the churches today who have embraced Rome's Trinity god, Jesus as the 'Son of God' is only a 'SYMBOLIC' application and He is not the literal Son of the Father. But this causes a major problem concerning the Authority and TRUTH of God's Word. You see Jesus once said ..."I am the way, THE TRUTH, and the life"(John 14:6). James 1:17 says that in the Father, there is "no variableness" and no shadow of turning". And Isaiah 65:16 says that God is a "GOD of TRUTH". This means that whatever the Father and His Son declare - IT IS TRUTH!! --NOT 'symbolic' or 'role playing', but TRUTH.

God the Father said TWICE, concerning Jesus... "THIS IS MY BELOVED SON" (Matthew 3:17, Matthew 17:5)

Jesus Himself confirmed ... "I am THE SON OF GOD" (John 10:36, John 11:14).

And the apostle John confirmed in John 17:17 ..."THY WORD IS TRUTH ". And Jesus said ththe are to live by "EVERY WORD that proceeds from the mouth of God" (Matthew 4:4).

Do you know what this means friends? This means that God the Father IS the the Father of Jesus Christ. And that Jesus Christ IS the literal Son of God the Father. You see, they are both OF the truth and of righteousness (Psalm 89:14). So they CANNOT be "role playing", as role playing is NOT truth. God the Father and His Son Jesus cannot be anything other than what they have both declared, because they are the TRUTH.

Those who do not believe the testimony of Father call God a LIAR. (1John 5:9-10.
This truth of the Father and His Son is the FOUNDATION of the true church, just as Jesus confirmed to the disciples.

Matthew 16:15-18
Satan even knew the truth that Jesus is the Son of God, because it was on this point where Satan tempted Jesus in the wilderness. Matthew 4:3, 6.
And even the demons (fallen angels) knew very well that Jesus was the Son of God when they cried out to Him in Matthew 8:29. So why can't we believe that Jesus Christ is in fact the Don of God?
We are "compassed about with a cloud of witnesses" concerning the Son of God, LOOK:
GOD THE FATHER-"THIS IS MY BELOVED SON." (Matthew 3:17)
JESUS CHRIST - "I AM THE SON OF GOD". (John 10:36)
SATAN - " If thou be THE SON OF GOD, command that these stones be made bread."
THE FALLEN ANGELS - "What have we to do with thee, JESUS THOU SON OF GOD? art thou comes hither to torment us before the time?" (Matthew 8:29)
NEBUCHADNEZZAR -"Lo, I see four men loose, walking in the midst of the fire, and they have no hurt; and the form of the fourth is like THE SON OF GOD."
THE DESCIPLES - " Then they that were in the ship came and worshipped him, saying, OF A TRUTH THOU ART THE SON OF GOD."(Matthew 14:33) - "we believe and are sure that thou art that Christ, THE SON OF THE LIVING GOD." (John 6:69)
This is part one.
Bless

Pip,

God, the Son, is regarded as God. He has the attributes of deity:

(1) Eternity (Jn 1:15; 8:58; 17:5, 24);
(2) Omniscience (Jn 2:24-25; 16:30; 21:17);
(3) Omnipresence (Mt 18:20; 28:20; Jn 3:13);
(4) Omnipotence. ‘I am the Almighty’ (Rev 1:8; Heb 1:3; Mt 28:18);
(5) Immutable (Heb 1:12; 13:8);
(6) He does the actions of deity: creator (Jn 1:3; Heb 1:10; Col 1:16); holds things together (Col 1:17; Heb 1:3); forgives sin (Mt 9:2, 6); raises the dead (Jn 6:39-40, 54; 11:25; 20:25, 28); he will be the Judge (Jn 5:22) of believers (2 Cor 5:10), of Antichrist and his followers (Rev 19:15), the nations (Ac 17:31), Satan (Gen 3:15) and the living and the dead (Ac 10:42).

Jesus is God, the Son, with the attributes of of deity. Those attributes are eternal. They never had a beginning and will never have an end.

Due to the trinity teaching, it is believe by majority of churches that Jesus Christ is not the literal begotten Son of God, but instead an equal, co-eternal God alongside the Father, and never had a beginning. Some people astonishingly, even believe that the Jesus and the Father are the same being.This is all thanks to the confusing trinity teaching.

I don't find it helpful when you state, 'It is believe[d] by majority of churches'. Which churches do not believe Jesus is the only begotten Son of God? Same problem with your language, 'Some people'. Who are they? I find your language is too 'slippery' for me to respond to.

Oz

 

[OzSpen]

What Bible translation are folks here using for Titus 2:13?

We can find a number of translations and commentaries of Titus 2:13 which render it as referring to two persons:

13 lokynge for that blessed hope and appearynge of the glory of ye greate God and of oure Sauioure Iesu Christ - Coverdale

13 lokynge for þe blessed hope & appearinge of the glory of the greate God, & of oure sauioure Iesu Christ, - The Great Bible

13 Looking for that blessed hope, and appearing of that glorie of that mightie God, and of our Sauiour Iesus Christ, - Geneva

13 abidinge the blessid hope and the comyng of the glorie of the greet God, and of oure sauyour Jhesu Crist; - Wycliffe

13 lokinge for that blessed hope and glorious apperenge of ye myghty god and of oure savioure Iesu Christ - Tyndale

13 in expectation of that desirable happiness, the glorious appearance of the supreme God, and of our saviour Jesus Christ, - Mace

13 awaiting the blessed hope of the appearance of the Glory of the great God and of our Saviour Christ Jesus, - Moffatt

13 expecting the blessed hope; namely, the appearing of the glory of the great God, and of our Saviour Jesus Christ; - The Living Oracles

13 looking for the blessed hope, and appearing of the glory of the great God and of our Saviour Jesus Christ; - Noyes

13 waiting for the blessed hope, the glorious appearing of the great God and of our Savior Christ Jesus, - Riverside

13 looking for the blessed hope and appearing of the glory of the great God and of our Saviour Jesus Christ, - Sawyer

(KJV) Looking for that blessed hope, and the glorious appearing of the great God and our Saviour Jesus Christ;

(New American Bible - 1970) as we await our blessed hope, the appearing of the glory of the great God and of our Savior Christ Jesus

(New American Bible - 1991) as we await the blessed hope, the appearance of the glory of the great God and of our savior Jesus Christ

(New American Bible - 2010) as we await the blessed hope, the appearance of the glory of the great God and of our savior Jesus Christ

(A New Translation in Plain English - Charles K. Williams) while we wait for the blessed thing we hope for, the appearing of the glory of the great God and of our Saviour Jesus Christ

And while we live this life we hope and wait for the glorious denouement of the Great God and of Jesus Christ our saviour. - Phillips

We are to be looking for the great hope and the coming of our great God and the One Who saves, Christ Jesus. - NLV

13 Looking for that blessed hope, and appearing of that glory of that mighty God, and of our Savior Jesus Christ. - GNV

"looking for that blessed hope and glorious appearing of the mighty God and of our Saviour Jesus Christ," - NMB

According to An Idiom-Book of New Testament Greek, by C. F. D. Moule, Cambridge, England, 1971, p. 109, at Titus 2:13, the sense "of the Great God, and of our Saviour Jesus Christ ... is possible in [New Testament] Greek even without the repetition [of the definite article before the second noun]."

Noted British NT scholar and clergyman Henry Alford wrote: "I would submit that [a translation which clearly differentiates God from Christ at Titus 2:13] satisfies all the grammatical requirements of the sentence: that it is both structurally and contextually more probable, and more agreeable to the Apostle’s [Paul’s] way of writing: and I have therefore preferred it." - The Greek Testament, p. 421, Vol. 3.

tigger,

Titus 2:13 in the Greek NT reads: προσδεχόμενοι τὴν μακαρίαν ἐλπίδα καὶ ἐπιφάνειαν τῆς δόξης τοῦ μεγάλου θεοῦ καὶ σωτῆρος ἡμῶν Ἰησοῦ χριστοῦ. The bold emphasis is translated: 'of the great God and Saviour of you, Jesus Christ'.

Who is the 'great God'? Is he the one and only God or God the Father? Titus 1:4 clarifies this: 'To Titus, my true son in our common faith: Grace and peace from God the Father and Christ Jesus our Saviour' (NIV). So, Titus 2:13 deals with the great God, the Father and the Saviour Jesus Christ.

Who is involved in providing salvation? It is the role of both God the Father and God the Son - according to this verse.

Oz