sola scriptura,

[Rollo Tamasi]

Are you interested in discussing Sola Scriptura?

Right now, I'm answering my pms mostly then leaving the forum for a while.
I don't feel anyone wants to hear what I have to say.

 

[WIP]

So because you are an American it makes it okay to worship the flag? It is still idolatry.


Jesus said you should swear no oaths,

Well pledging your allegiance to a piece of cloth is like swearing an oath to it.



But its ok, after all your American. Right?

Allegiance is not worship. Allegiance is a declaration of loyalty/commitment and when we pledge allegiance to the flag, it is that which the flag represents we are declaring our loyalty to.

Worship is something entirely different.

When I got married I pledged my loyalty/commitment to my wife but I do not worship her as I do God.

 

[JLB]

who said ?I'm stating fact ,I didn't,here any football fan in,church state im not watching the NFL over Tebow

not once have i heard that it should be illegal to desacrate or burn a bible .private property of others is another subject but its not mentioned either its just not though like that or something else.

my,point is how east it is to have a simple temporary flag in the eternal view hold such place over the the things of God.

you simply blow off how it .can, be a stumbling block .I fully disagree with the Catholic views on icon and prayer to the dead saints but unless you intend take us to heaven,to show that there is no,saint who isn't able to see God ,talk or plead before God


do you have dead family in heaven?do you not visit their graves and talk and assume they can't know this?

i see the use of icons as problematic but I,do understand why they believe that .I,know charismatic who speak about visions of heaven talking to loved ones there or others using nde experiences describing the same .

if the saints are unaware of our lives .show me that in the bible ?

my issues with this is well,Mary isn't quite a co redeemer,praying to some one you might not know for sure is saved ,no one knows after another dies .isn't kinda pointless .its hard enough with fellow church members .

with the dead we don't know who made it ,this why I avoid it

All these things really have nothing to do with bowing down to graven images.

Thats my point.




JLB

 

[JLB]

Right now, I'm answering my pms mostly then leaving the forum for a while.
I don't feel anyone wants to hear what I have to say.

Ok.

 

[ezrider]

Allegiance is not worship. Allegiance is a declaration of loyalty/commitment and when we pledge allegiance to the flag, it is that which the flag represents we are declaring our loyalty to.

Worship is something entirely different.

I never equated pledging allegiance with the concept of worship.


James 5:12
But above all things, my brethren, swear not, neither by heaven, neither by the earth, neither by any other oath: but let your yea be yea; and your nay, nay; lest ye fall into condemnation.


This is what I was referencing. Pledging your allegiance to a piece of cloth, or what ever you think that piece of cloth represents, is the same as swearing an oath. Nothing at all to do with worship.

 

[JLB]

Okay, let's talk Mary.
Mary is at the heart of the catholic church.
The idea of praying to Mary is because Jesus will listen to her because she is his mother.
In all honesty, I see nothing spiritual about this
But underneath it all, they are trying to reach Jesus.
Yes, it's bad teaching but will Jesus deny them because they are approaching him the wrong way?
A good evangelist will learn how to use this as a way to teach them the true Gospel.

The point is, Catholic people are precious and many are very sincere in devotion.

The teachings of Catholicism is the problem because most of it is not from scripture.

Not Sola Scriptura.

I agree many are trying to reach Jesus, but because of the teaching of Catholicism they are going about it in a way that is against what the Lord taught.

At some point someone has to tell them it’s not right.

It’s not what Jesus taught. It’s not the way.

Teaching the truth even though you know it’s going to make them angry and they are going to react in a negative way, but someone is going to have try and reach the wayward person who has strayed from the truth.


If that isn’t love what is?

Its not judging a person to try and get a person to hear the words of God.


The day is fast approaching when giving people the truth will cost you your life.




JLB

 

[WIP]

I never equated pledging allegiance with the concept of worship.


James 5:12
But above all things, my brethren, swear not, neither by heaven, neither by the earth, neither by any other oath: but let your yea be yea; and your nay, nay; lest ye fall into condemnation.


This is what I was referencing. Pledging your allegiance to a piece of cloth, or what ever you think that piece of cloth represents, is the same as swearing an oath. Nothing at all to do with worship.

That's what I'm doing when I pledge an allegiance. I am promising that my yea means yea and my nay means nay.

 

[ezrider]

That's what I'm doing when I pledge an allegiance. I am promising that my yea means yea and my nay means nay.

For both you and JLB since he like your post: When you say the pledge of allegiance, what is it you are saying Yea too? What is is you are saying Nay too? Or is this just a way to justify your own actions?


Even the national anthem is a song about that piece of cloth, old glory!

So if a man stands for the national anthem, then would he be letting his yea mean yea? Likewise then, if a man were to a knee during the national anthem, then it stands to reason he is letting his nay mean nay. Is this not acceptable in God's eyes?


So if the flag has not become an idol, then why do so many take offense when someone kneels before it during the playing of its own anthem? If it is just a flag, then why do many take offense when someone burns the flag in protest?


What shall we do to the man who does not worship the flag? Oh, I mean honor the flag. What shall we do when they take a knee, shall we cast them in the lion's den?

 

[JLB]

For both you and JLB since he like your post: When you say the pledge of allegiance, what is it you are saying Yea too? What is is you are saying Nay too? Or is this just a way to justify your own actions?


Even the national anthem is a song about that piece of cloth, old glory!

So if a man stands for the national anthem, then would he be letting his yea mean yea? Likewise then, if a man were to a knee during the national anthem, then it stands to reason he is letting his nay mean nay. Is this not acceptable in God's eyes?


So if the flag has not become an idol, then why do so many take offense when someone kneels before it during the playing of its own anthem? If it is just a flag, then why do many take offense when someone burns the flag in protest?


What shall we do to the man who does not worship the flag? Oh, I mean honor the flag. What shall we do when they take a knee, shall we cast them in the lion's den?

I am pledging my commitment to one nation under God.

 

[ezrider]

I am pledging my commitment to one nation under God.

Great. Now can you answer this question?

So if the flag has not become an idol, then why do so many take offense when someone kneels before it during the playing of its own anthem? If it is just a flag, then why do many take offense when someone burns the flag in protest?

 

[JLB]

Great. Now can you answer this question?

I don’t kneel before the flag.

I don’t know of anyone who kneels before the flag.

If someone kneels before the flag to worship the flag they need to be corrected.



JLB

 

[JLB]

Great. Now can you answer this question?

For both you and @JLB since he like your post: When you say the pledge of allegiance, what is it you are saying Yea too?

This is the question you asked, and I answered.


Here is my answer again.


I am pledging my commitment to one nation under God.





JLB

 

[ezrider]

I don’t kneel before the flag.

I don’t know of anyone who kneels before the flag.

If someone kneels before the flag to worship the flag they need to be corrected.



JLB

You sidestepped the question and answered without answering. This is not letting your yeah mean yeah.

Why do you take offense to someone who kneels during the playing of the anthem?

 

[JLB]

You sidestepped the question and answered without answering. This is not letting your yeah mean yeah.

Here is your question.

For both you and JLB since he like your post: When you say the pledge of allegiance, what is it you are saying Yea too?


My answer:

I am pledging my commitment to one nation under God.


Thats not sidestepping anything.



JLB

 

[JLB]

Why do you take offense to someone who kneels during the playing of the anthem?

Where did I say this?

Here is what I said. —

If someone kneels before the flag to worship the flag they need to be corrected.



JLB

 

[ezrider]

Here is your question.

For both you and JLB since he like your post: When you say the pledge of allegiance, what is it you are saying Yea too?


My answer:

I am pledging my commitment to one nation under God.


Thats not sidestepping anything.



JLB

I acknowledged that you answered my FIRST question. I said Great! Then I asked you a SECOND question that you somehow have a difficult time understanding.



JLB, would you answer this question? So if the flag has not become an idol, then why do so many take offense when someone kneels before it during the playing of its own anthem? If it is just a flag, then why do many take offense when someone burns the flag in protest?

 

[ezrider]

My answer:

I am pledging my commitment to one nation under God.

The god of this world?

 

[JLB]

@JLB, would you answer this question? So if the flag has not become an idol, then why do so many take offense when someone kneels before it during the playing of its own anthem?

Please show me the post where I said this.


Here is what I said.

If someone kneels before the flag to worship the flag they need to be corrected.




JLB

 

[JLB]

The god of this world?

Did I say the god of this world?

Here is what I said.

I am pledging my commitment to one nation under God.


Please stop misrepresenting me and making false claims against me.



JLB

 

[jasonc]

I don’t kneel before the flag.

I don’t know of anyone who kneels before the flag.

If someone kneels before the flag to worship the flag they need to be corrected.



JLB

before 1954 ,there was no one nation under God in,the pledge .no,pledge even existed before 1892 .the anthem wasn't official until the 20 th century ,about ww1 ..


just saying ,and to enlist or to hold office saying so help,me God isn't required ,nor should it be