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Just what do you think the word of God being written down by men actually is?
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I forgot nothing, there is no need to say the same thing twice in different ways.
Just what do you think the word of God being written down by men actually is?
Want2B Saint
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I did a little research on the history of the Bible and it seems the Vulgate Bible is the true Bible, but it doesn't do me any good unless I can read it, I think it's in Latin. Rather confusing. Interesting though, saint Jerome under the authority of the Roman Catholic church compiled the apostolic letters & orall traditions of the church to translate from, I think Hebrew to Latin, then Latin to Greek and eventually English. I'm not sure!!! But that's all I found on the subject. I still don't know what Bible has the best translation in English, I'm guessing the king James, but it's not that easy to read.
Want2B Saint
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Thank you stovebolts for the input it is helpful. Open to suggestions on a easy reading English version of the Bible with the closest interpretation to the original, I think is the Vulgate Bible. If there is such a Bible. From what I read & to my understanding, theologians agree that the Vulgate is the first true Bible? True or false, I'm not sure. I'm searching for the truth. Then there is interpretation. Roman Catholic church compiled the Bible & have their interpretation and hold all the cards, so who am I to say there right or wrong. I try to stay open to interpretation of the Bible and what God is saying to us, and keep within context of what the Bible is saying and to who it's addressing. I can understand why there's so many different denominations of interpretations as all have their own traditions and views and belief's. This seems to be a big problem for believer's and non- believer's, because if the believer's can't agree, the non- believer's see this as well and add to their non-believing, so I can kind of understand a non - believer's point of view. I have to collect all the facts about the Bible and it's truth's. From my own research the Roman Catholic church must have had all the writing's that existed that formed the Bible and it is the first and only church for the first 1,500 years from successors of the apostilles and claim to be the one true holy Catholic apostolic church that is infallible. No other denomination of undenominational church have this claim that I know of, and the Catholic church claims to have full authority of interpretations of the Bible and that there is no private interpretation of the Bible. Wow, that's very bold. They do seem to hold all the cards, and no one seemed to dispute it until Martin Luther around the 1500 a.d. and this was the beginning of private interpretation and denominations. I can understand why, as the Catholic church had bad Pope's & schisms in the church, but through all that the doctorin of the church never changed and still is the same today. Jesus said the gates of hell will not prevail against his church and it will prevail until the end of time. The Catholic church has been at some really low points through out history and had plenty of chances to expire but it seems to pass the test of time. So if the Catholic church was put on trial in a court of law to be the first and true Catholic apostolic church, if the history and facts are correct, I would think that the conclusion would be true. But I have to think if it is the first true church, why has then all the bad things through out the church history such as Christian wars, the Inquisition,bad Pope's that are supposed to be successors of the apostilles, sexual scandals, ECT, ECT. Could happen in God's church ? But why did Jesus allow judis to be a disiple?
stovebolts
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Want2B Saint
You ask a lot of good questions and by doing so, you expose more questions Which will in turn expose even more questions. Don’t expect to get them answered overnight lol.
The Bible is naturally categorized into two main parts we call the Old Testament and the New Testament. Then we have a term we call cannon which we use to discuss the authenticity and authority of the writings held within those two categories. The word cannon in and of itself is used in Paul’s writings and in the Greek it basically means rule, or ruler. In other words, cannon is what we use to measure with, like a carpenter uses a measuring tape.
The OT was cannon well before Jesus came on the scene and was originally written in Hebrew but later was translated into Greek for the non Hebrew speaking Jews we call the Hellenistic Jews. As you noted, the NT was canonized almost400 years after the death of Jesus. However, you need to understand that the Vulgate was the first official translation of the NT writings which were originally written in Greek and Hebrew (Aramaic). A servant is not greater than his master. The original Greek and Hebrew are what one would want to learn, not Latin.
This takes us to the Catholic Church. At that time, there was only one Church and it was the Catholic Church. Catholic simply means Universal. In other words, there was one universal church and it covered the known world. This universal church was categorized geographically as Eastern and Western. The Universal church held together in unity until 1054 AD when the church split as Rome claimed singular authority over the entire church. Today, the eastern Catholic Church is alive and thriving. The eastern Catholic Church is comprised of many Eastern Orthodox churches such as the Greek Orthodox Church and the Coptic Orthodox Church. There are hundreds if not thousands of flavors within the Eastern Orthodox Church. However, when we speak of the Western Catholic Church, we are speaking specifically to the Roman Catholic Church and NOT the Catholic Church as a whole.
As far as finding the best English translation, that’s another feat in and of itself. Yes, the KJV is an excellent translation, but so is the ESV. What you need to know is this. Each translation has its use and was translated with a particular focus. Literal translations are hard to read and some Greek or Hebrew words don’t really have an English equivalent. As a result, some translations focus more on relaying the meaning were a more literal translation can loose the meaning.
My advice is this. Find a translation that’s easy to read and understand. But always understand that it’s a servant to its master, which is probably the Greek. If you want to study a passage, read several translations to get different perspectives on the verses and then go look at the original Greek.
good luck.
You ask a lot of good questions and by doing so, you expose more questions Which will in turn expose even more questions. Don’t expect to get them answered overnight lol.
The Bible is naturally categorized into two main parts we call the Old Testament and the New Testament. Then we have a term we call cannon which we use to discuss the authenticity and authority of the writings held within those two categories. The word cannon in and of itself is used in Paul’s writings and in the Greek it basically means rule, or ruler. In other words, cannon is what we use to measure with, like a carpenter uses a measuring tape.
The OT was cannon well before Jesus came on the scene and was originally written in Hebrew but later was translated into Greek for the non Hebrew speaking Jews we call the Hellenistic Jews. As you noted, the NT was canonized almost400 years after the death of Jesus. However, you need to understand that the Vulgate was the first official translation of the NT writings which were originally written in Greek and Hebrew (Aramaic). A servant is not greater than his master. The original Greek and Hebrew are what one would want to learn, not Latin.
This takes us to the Catholic Church. At that time, there was only one Church and it was the Catholic Church. Catholic simply means Universal. In other words, there was one universal church and it covered the known world. This universal church was categorized geographically as Eastern and Western. The Universal church held together in unity until 1054 AD when the church split as Rome claimed singular authority over the entire church. Today, the eastern Catholic Church is alive and thriving. The eastern Catholic Church is comprised of many Eastern Orthodox churches such as the Greek Orthodox Church and the Coptic Orthodox Church. There are hundreds if not thousands of flavors within the Eastern Orthodox Church. However, when we speak of the Western Catholic Church, we are speaking specifically to the Roman Catholic Church and NOT the Catholic Church as a whole.
As far as finding the best English translation, that’s another feat in and of itself. Yes, the KJV is an excellent translation, but so is the ESV. What you need to know is this. Each translation has its use and was translated with a particular focus. Literal translations are hard to read and some Greek or Hebrew words don’t really have an English equivalent. As a result, some translations focus more on relaying the meaning were a more literal translation can loose the meaning.
My advice is this. Find a translation that’s easy to read and understand. But always understand that it’s a servant to its master, which is probably the Greek. If you want to study a passage, read several translations to get different perspectives on the verses and then go look at the original Greek.
good luck.
Want2B Saint
Member
Thank you for your help and reply.you obviously have done a lot of homework. I'm impressed with your knowledge Tessa. I'm always searching for the truth & probably always will because I never give up. There is so much information to sort through and learn from and think about it could take a lifetime. I'm very satisfied with this site so far as I'm new and happy to have found this site, thank you all.
stovebolts
Member
Tessa, she is such a sweetheart and an example of a woman of God.
ask, seek and knock... that is our calling. Questions beget questions, so we need to be very careful that we are asking the right questions. If we ask the wrong question of any particular passage in the Bible we will receive the wrong answer because Satan masquerades as an angel of light.
Always be open to what others have to say and always be ready to run what you hear through the scriptures. Scripture is the ruler in which we measured the world around us, so it’s important we understand scripture within their original context and cultural setting.
Pipiripi
Member
The Bible is written by man, inspired by God.
Like I said saying the same thing twice.
If God gives one a message is there a need to also say this message given to me by God, we inspired by God!
Hospes
Member
For what its worth, I like the ESV for accuracy, NIV for easier reading, and NASV as a good balance. Furthermore, the ESV study Bible has lots of great notes and other helpful material, so I use it mostly. Due to not wanting to have a person's personal opinions and prejudices mingled within the scriptures, I steer clear of Bible paraphrases. I've heard good things about the NKJV. I find the KJV difficult to read in that it is written in a way I do not speak or think.
BTW, there is an extremely small amount of translation disputes when comparing any of the modern well-done translations. And of the disputes, I have found none to have any significant impact on theology. (I define theology as the pursuit of answering the question "What does the whole Bible teach about _______?")
Hope this helps.
BTW, there is an extremely small amount of translation disputes when comparing any of the modern well-done translations. And of the disputes, I have found none to have any significant impact on theology. (I define theology as the pursuit of answering the question "What does the whole Bible teach about _______?")
Hope this helps.
Pipiripi
Member
All that the Bible teaches is obedience to God. And that is true love. Keep His Commandments and have the faith OF Jesus. Revelation 12:17 and 14:12
Hospes
Member
I'd write it a bit differently. I think it is love that results in obedience, not "obedience that is true love", i.e. love is the cause, obedience is the necessary effect. A good Pharisee may be obedient to God, and yet not love God. Paul says he was "as to righteousness under the law, blameless." (Philippians 3:4-6)
Pipiripi
Member
You are right in some places. But you can give all your love but disobey God Words. Soul love God, which one was greater, Soul love or obeying God? It is by obeying God you can prove that you love God. Read Revelation 12:17 and 14:12. God self declared who is His children. And read 14:13 too.