An old question- Was Jesus God?

[Poor Old Spike]

..What other questions do you have about our Lord? We are here to help with other understandings.

If by "understandings" you mean "interpretations", yes it's always interesting to hear other people interpretations even though I may not agree with them..
For example my interpretation is that Jesus was NOT God because he made it quite clear many times that he wasn't.
Take this verse for instance (my underlining)-
"Simon Peter answered, “You are the Messiah, the Son of the living God.”
Jesus replied, “Blessed are you, Simon son of Jonah, for this was not revealed to you by flesh and blood, but by my Father in heaven" (Matt 16:13-17)

PS- Will I go to hell for not believing Jesus was God?

 

[Knotical]

If by "understandings" you mean "interpretations", yes it's always interesting to hear other people interpretations even though I may not agree with them..
For example my interpretation is that Jesus was NOT God because he made it quite clear many times that he wasn't.
Take this verse for instance (my underlining)-
"Simon Peter answered, “You are the Messiah, the Son of the living God.”
Jesus replied, “Blessed are you, Simon son of Jonah, for this was not revealed to you by flesh and blood, but by my Father in heaven" (Matt 16:13-17)

PS- Will I go to hell for not believing Jesus was God?

Of course God only knows the answer to that last question; however, your demonstration of what you know the bible teaches is rather illuminating.

Let me ask you this, based on the passage you just quoted. What do you think being the "Son of the living God" means? Be sure to take into consideration the fact that Son is capitalized.

 

[Poor Old Spike]

..What do you think being the "Son of the living God" means? Be sure to take into consideration the fact that Son is capitalized.

ALL Christians are the sons and daughters of God-
"What does a believer have in common with an unbeliever?..Come out from among them and be separate, says the Lord, I will be a Father to you, and you shall be my sons and daughters" (2 Cor 6:14-18 )
And notice "sons and daughters" is not capitalised in any Bible version as far as I know.
But the translators capitalised Jesus as a mark of respect to emphasise that he was THE one and only "proper" Son of God, far above the rest of us ordinary schmucks..

 

[chessman]

my interpretation is that Jesus was NOT God

Well at least this is a claim that is much easier for us to believe than your previous unsupported claim:

Jesus said he wasn't God

Many false claims are easy to prove false, such as your claim "Jesus said he wasn't God" and the one below:

Take this verse for instance (my underlining)-
"Simon Peter answered, “You are the Messiah, the Son of the living God.”
Jesus replied, “Blessed are you, Simon son of Jonah, for this was not revealed to you by flesh and blood, but by my Father in heaven" (Matt 16:13-17)

That’s not Matt 16:13-17, it’s verses 16-17 only.

You might want consider the conversation (both the questions and answers and follow-on instructions) was actually about who the people thought that 'The Son of Man' is as described within the OT Scripture.

And Jesus, having come into the regions of Philip’s Caesarea, was asking His disciples, saying, “Who do people say that the Son of Man is?” And the ones said, “Some, John the Baptist. And others, Elijah. And different ones, Jeremiah or one of the prophets”.​

Matthew 16:13-14 - https://www.biblegateway.com/passage?search=Matthew 16:13-14&version=DLNT

And consider what Jesus said to end the conversation:

Matthew 16:20 Disciples’ Literal New Testament (DLNT)​

20 Then He gave-orders to the disciples that they should tell no one that He is the Christ[a].​

Footnotes:
Matthew 16:20 That is, Messiah. This term had political overtones Jesus did not want to fan at this time.

Why do you think that Jesus told the disciples NOT to tell anyone that He is the Christ?

 

[Knotical]

ALL Christians are the sons and daughters of God-
"What does a believer have in common with an unbeliever?..Come out from among them and be separate, says the Lord, I will be a Father to you, and you shall be my sons and daughters" (2 Cor 6:14-18 )
And notice "sons and daughters" is not capitalised in any Bible version as far as I know.
But the translators capitalised Jesus as a mark of respect to emphasise that he was THE one and only "proper" Son of God, far above the rest of us ordinary schmucks..

And what would that make Him?

 

[WIP]

If by "understandings" you mean "interpretations", yes it's always interesting to hear other people interpretations even though I may not agree with them..
For example my interpretation is that Jesus was NOT God because he made it quite clear many times that he wasn't.
Take this verse for instance (my underlining)-
"Simon Peter answered, “You are the Messiah, the Son of the living God.”
Jesus replied, “Blessed are you, Simon son of Jonah, for this was not revealed to you by flesh and blood, but by my Father in heaven" (Matt 16:13-17)

PS- Will I go to hell for not believing Jesus was God?

I have a question for you. If Jesus was to appear before you, would you bow down to Him?

 

[JLB]

If by "understandings" you mean "interpretations", yes it's always interesting to hear other people interpretations even though I may not agree with them..
For example my interpretation is that Jesus was NOT God because he made it quite clear many times that he wasn't.
Take this verse for instance (my underlining)-
"Simon Peter answered, “You are the Messiah, the Son of the living God.”
Jesus replied, “Blessed are you, Simon son of Jonah, for this was not revealed to you by flesh and blood, but by my Father in heaven" (Matt 16:13-17)

PS- Will I go to hell for not believing Jesus was God?

We all have said Jesus is the only begotten Son of God.

The question is, did God the beget God or did He beget something else?

I have given you many scriptures that show Jesus is the Lord God Almighty.

Jesus claimed this about Himself.


Please address the scriptures I gave you.



JLB

 

[Selah]

If by "understandings" you mean "interpretations", yes it's always interesting to hear other people interpretations even though I may not agree with them..
For example my interpretation is that Jesus was NOT God because he made it quite clear many times that he wasn't.
Take this verse for instance (my underlining)-
"Simon Peter answered, “You are the Messiah, the Son of the living God.”
Jesus replied, “Blessed are you, Simon son of Jonah, for this was not revealed to you by flesh and blood, but by my Father in heaven" (Matt 16:13-17)

PS- Will I go to hell for not believing Jesus was God?

Do you disregard those verses that have Jesus saying he was God? How do you explain those? The Isaiah verse, the Matthew verse, speak of God's angel foretelling the arrival of Immanuel; God with us.
Is there something other than the clarity , God with us, that would explain the title the prophesied messiah would hold?

 

[Poor Old Spike]

..Many false claims are easy to prove false, such as your claim "Jesus said he wasn't God"..

Check your monitor settings mate, I suspect my earlier post where I listed all the times Jesus said he wasn't God isn't displaying on your monitor..
PS- some members seem to be dodging my questions, for example when Jesus said-
"..you will see the Son of Man sitting at the right hand of the Mighty One and coming on the clouds of heaven.” (Mark 14:61)
I asked how could he possibly sit at God's right hand if he himself was God?..

 

[Poor Old Spike]

I have a question for you. If Jesus was to appear before you, would you bow down to Him?

He doesn't want fawning servants, he wants MATES, so I'd certainly give him a big hug..
"You're my friends if you follow me. I don't call you servants, but I call you friends"- (John 15:15)

 

[Tessa]

There are many mysteries in scripture, many that I haven't understand properly. Nobody understands everything in the bible. I have always believed in the trinity, but threads like these just make me study it all over again. That is good.
As for bowing down to Jesus scripture says every knee shall bow. I will be thrilled to do so.

 

[Tessa]

Hebrews 1:6-9 NKJV

6. But when He again brings the firstborn into the world, He says:
"Let all the angels of God worship Him."

7. And of the angels He says:
"Who makes His angels spirits
And His ministers a flame of fire."

8. But to the Son He says:
"Your throne, O God, is forever and ever;
A scepter of righteousness is the scepter of Your kingdom.

9. You have loved righteousness and hated lawlessness;
Therefore God, Your God, has anointed You
With the oil of gladness more than your companions."

 

[JLB]

Hebrews 1:6-9 NKJV

6. But when He again brings the firstborn into the world, He says:
"Let all the angels of God worship Him."

7. And of the angels He says:
"Who makes His angels spirits
And His ministers a flame of fire."

8. But to the Son He says:
"Your throne, O God, is forever and ever;
A scepter of righteousness is the scepter of Your kingdom.

9. You have loved righteousness and hated lawlessness;
Therefore God, Your God, has anointed You
With the oil of gladness more than your companions."

Verse 10 is a quote from Zechariah 12:1 showing Jesus to be the One who stretched out the heavens and laid the foundation of the earth, where refers to YHWH the Lord God.

But to the Son He says:...

You, Lord, in the beginning laid the foundation of the earth,
And the heavens are the work of Your hands.

Compare -

The burden of the word of the Lord against Israel. Thus says the Lord, who stretches out the heavens, lays the foundation of the earth, and forms the spirit of man within him: Zechariah 12:1



JLB

 

[Tessa]

Thank you JLB.
Those verses lift my spirit and deepens my faith

 

[Poor Old Spike]

..As for bowing down to Jesus scripture says every knee shall bow. I will be thrilled to do so.

Good for you, then give him a big hug..-

"The woman said, "I know that Messiah" (called Christ) is coming. When he comes, he will explain everything to us."
Then Jesus declared, 'I'm him. He's speaking to you now'." (John 4:26)

 

[Poor Old Spike]

Do you disregard those verses that have Jesus saying he was God? How do you explain those? The Isaiah verse, the Matthew verse, speak of God's angel foretelling the arrival of Immanuel; God with us.
Is there something other than the clarity , God with us, that would explain the title the prophesied messiah would hold?

If we take these verses literally- "I and my Father are one." (John 10:30)......"Whoever has seen me has seen the Father" (John 14:8 )
of course they could mean he WAS God, but if we take them in context with all the other verses where he says he's NOT God, we can see he was speaking figuratively and indicating that people could hear God speaking through his mouth, just as medieval heralds went around Europe as spokesmen carrying messages from king to king.
Jesus said - "I say nothing of my own accord, i only say what my father tells me to say.." (John 12:49)
As Paul noted- "In the past God spoke to our ancestors through the prophets at many times and in various ways, but in these last days he has spoken to us by his Son.." (Hebrews 1:1-2)

 

[Poor Old Spike]

Jesus is the only begotten Son of God the Father.
How can God beget anything other than God.
Man begets man.
God begets God.
JLB

Human Mary had something to do with it too, so we could say Jesus was half-God, half-human..

 

[Poor Old Spike]

A better question would be IS Jesus God!

Jesus himself can answer that for us..-
Jesus said -"Why do you call me good? No one is good except God alone" (Luke 18:19)

 

[Poor Old Spike]

Spike,
See the article, 50 Biblical Proofs That Jesus is God.
Why were these verses missed or excluded?
Oz

They're simply somebody's opinion, just as valid as my own opinion and anybody else's..
However, I base my opinion on straight verses not abstract theology, for example when Stephen said just before his murder- "Look, I see heaven open and the Son of Man standing at the right hand of God." (Acts 7:6)
I'm inclined to take his word that he saw God and Jesus as two separate entities.

 

[Razeontherock]

As a matter of interest, when the High Priest asked Jesus if he was the Son of God, he replied "I am".
But if he was God himself, why didn't he say so there and then?
Also, who was the 'Mighty One' at whose right hand Jesus would be sitting in heaven?
"Again the high priest asked him, “Are you the Messiah, the Son of the Blessed One?”
“I am,” said Jesus. “And you will see the Son of Man sitting at the right hand of the Mighty One and coming on the clouds of heaven.” (Mark 14:61-62)

I AM is the Name of God, as told by God Himself, directly to Moses.

Had Jesus said it more plainly, He would have been executed before "the fullness of time"

He said He was God plenty, but always veiled, hidden