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These words are spoken by Jesus Christ in the Gospel of John, which refers to God the Father.

“ὥσπερ γὰρ ὁ πατὴρ ἔχει ζωὴν ἐν ἑαυτῷ, οὕτως καὶ τῷ υἱῷ ἔδωκεν ζωὴν ἔχειν ἐν ἑαυτῷ” (John 5:26)

“For just as the Father has Life in Himself, in this way even to the Son He gave Life to have in Himself” (literal translation)

Does Jesus here mean, as is supposed by some, the Father has in eternity past, “given (ἔδωκεν, aorist active indicative, of δίδωμι)” “Life” to Him, in the Godhead? Is Jesus saying that the Father is the “source” of His Life, as “God”? If this is the case, then Jesus Christ can never be “God” in the same sense as the Father is, and would be “δεύτερος-θεός”, where the meaning is, “secondary”, “of lower rank”. Which would justify the Jehovah’s Witnesses translation of John 1:1c, as “and the Word was a god”. Or that of Moffatt, “the Logos was divine” (also Goodspeed). If Jesus here means, that the Father is the “source” of His Life within the Godhead, as God, then the verse would read different: “γὰρ ὁ πατὴρ ἔχει ζωὴν ἐν ἑαυτῷ, καὶ ἐκεῖνος ἔδωκας τῷ υἱῷ ζωὴν” (for the Father has Life in Himself, and He gave the Son Life).

Jesus’ words here are very clear, and when examined closely, it will be seen not to even hint at the Father “giving” Him His Life. Note the two almost exact phrases, “ἔχει ζωὴν ἐν ἑαυτῷ”, and “ζωὴν ἔχειν ἐν ἑαυτῷ”, the only difference is the grammar. In both places the meaning is the same, “has Life in Himself”, this is another way of saying, “self-existing”, not “independent existence”, but that neither the Father, nor the Son, depends on the Other for their very existence. Neither “derives” their Life from the Other. In fact, Jesus says, “ὥσπερ…οὕτως” (just as…in the way), which is used to show a comparison between Himself and the Father, on an equality. In both places, “ἔχει” and “ἔχειν”, are in the “present continuance tense”, used for the “Eternal Life” that is in the Father and in Jesus Christ. In 1 John 1:1, Jesus Christ is called, “τοῦ λόγου τῆς ζωῆς (the Word of the Life)”, and in verse 2, “καὶ ἡ ζωὴ ἐφανερώθη (and the Life was Manifested). John goes on to say of Jesus, “τὴν ζωὴν τὴν αἰώνιον ἥτις ἦν πρὸς τὸν πατέρα”, that is, “the Life the Eternal Who was with the Father”. It does not say, “ἥτις ἦν ἐξ τὸν πατέρα”, “Who was out of the Father”, where the Greek preposition, “ἐξ” would have been used. By using “πρὸς”, it is clear that Jesus Christ, Who is here “The Eternal Life”, is “from the side of, near”, which shows a clear distinction, and not dependence. In John 1:1, John says of Jesus Christ, Who is “the Word (ὁ λόγος)”, Who is, “πρὸς τὸν θεόν (with the God)”, same Greek preposition as in 1 John 1:2, showing distinction. John then goes on to say, “καὶ θεὸς ἦν ὁ λόγος”, which according to the Greek grammar of this passage, in its context, can only read, “and the Word was God”, in exactly the same sense the Father is God. This is clear from verse 18 in the oldest and best textual evidence, “θεὸν οὐδεὶς ἑώρακεν πώποτε μονογενὴς θεὸς (God no one has seen at any time the Unique God)”, where both uses of “θεὸς”, do not have the Greek article (τὸν, ὁ), with the same meaning, Two distinct Persons, Who are equally GOD. In verse 4, it says of Jesus, that, “ἐν αὐτῷ ζωὴ ἦν (in Him was Life)”, where the Greek preposition “ἐν” means “in His Person”, as the “source of life”. Jesus cannot be the “source of life”, if His own Life is “derived” from the Father, as “given” to Him.

In Acts 3:15, Peter says of Jesus Christ, “τὸν δὲ Ἀρχηγὸν τῆς ζωῆς ἀπεκτείνατε”, literally, “but the Source of life you killed”. The noun “ἀρχηγός”, has the meanings, “a first cause, originator, founder”. In Hebrews 2:10, Jesus is called “the author of their salvation (ASV); and “the source of their salvation (CSB). In Hebrews 12:2, “Jesus, the author and perfecter of faith, (NAS); “Jesus, the source and perfecter of our faith (CSB).

In John 11:25, Jesus says of Himself, “Ἐγώ εἰμι ἡ ἀνάστασις καὶ ἡ ζωή”, “I AM The Resurrection and The Life”. In 14:6, “Ἐγώ εἰμι ἡ ὁδὸς καὶ ἡ ἀλήθεια καὶ ἡ ζωή (I AM The Way and The Truth and The Life”. Again, in Revelation chapter one, were we read of Jesus Christ Appearing to the Apostle John, and says to him, “ἐγώ εἰμι ὁ πρῶτος καὶ ὁ ἔσχατος, καὶ ὁ ζῶν (present active indicative)” (verses 17, 18), which is literally, “I Am The First and The Last, and The Ever-Living One”. Dr Joseph Thayer, the Unitarian Greek scholar, has this to say, “ὁ πρῶτος καί ὁ ἔσχατος, i. e. the eternal One, Rev 1:17; Rev 2:8; Rev 22:13” (Greek Lexicon on πρῶτος). In the Book of Isaiah, we read of Yahweh, Who says, “´ánî ri´šôn wa´ánî ´ahárôn ûmibbal`äday ´ên ´élöhîm (I The First and I The Last, and beside Me no god)”. The Greek Old Testament (LXX) reads, “ἐγὼ πρῶτος καὶ ἐγὼ μετὰ ταῦτα”, literally, “I am the first, and I am hereafter”. In Exodus 3:14, where the Speaker is “Mal'ak Yehovah” (verse 2), “The Messenger of Yahweh”, or “The One sent by Yahweh”, Who says to Moses when asked about His Name, “Ἐγώ εἰμι ὁ ὤν”, “I AM The Eternal One”, which is what Jesus says in Revelation 1:18, “ὁ ζῶν”, “The Ever-Living One”.

John 5:26, cannot be taken on its own, as it connects with verse 27, where Jesus goes on to say, “καὶ ἐξουσίαν ἔδωκεν αὐτῷ κρίσιν ποιεῖν, ὅτι υἱὸς ἀνθρώπου ἐστίν”, which is, “and Authority He appointed Him, to execute Judgement, because the Son of Man He is”. The same verb, “ἔδωκεν”, which is in verse 26, is also in verse 27. In verse 22 Jesus says, “For the Father judges no one, but has appointed all judgment to the Son” (NKJV). Where the word “committed” is the Greek word, “δέδωκεν”, which is from “δίδωμι”.

“δίδωμι”, does not only have the meaning, “to give something to someone, which they never had before”. In Mark 4:25, Jesus says, “For whoever has, to him more shall be given (δοθησεται, from δίδωμι)”. In John 17:24, Jesus says, “Then they may see My glory, which You have given (δέδωκάς, from δίδωμι) Me”. In verse 5 we read, “Now, Father, glorify Me in Your presence with that glory I had (εἶχον, imperfect, “I have always had”) with (παρὰ, “together with You”) You before the world existed”. The verb also has the meanings, “to appoint, to grant, to allow, to assign, to hand over, deliver up”, etc.

If Jesus’ “Life” is “derived” from the Father, which would indeed make Him “δεύτερος-θεός”, then it would have been impossible for Jesus to have said what He does, in verse 23, “that all may Honor the Son, just as they Honor the Father. Whoever does not Honor the Son does not Honor the Father who sent Him”. Can someone Who is “inferior” to God the Father, make such a claim? If we do not “Honor” Jesus Christ, we do not “Honor”, the Father, Who sent Him. The use of the conjunction, “οτι (because)”, gives the reason for what is said in verses 26-27, “He is the Son of Man”. Jesus Christ, The Son of Man, while on earth, Acted in complete agreement with the Father in everything that He did, which is what Jesus Himself says in John 5:19, “So Jesus said to them, “Truly, truly, I say to you, the Son can do nothing of his own accord, but only what he sees the Father doing. For whatever the Father does, that the Son does likewise”. These words are in response to what Jesus had told the Jews, that, “My Father is working until now, and I am working” (ver 17), which enraged the Jews, who then even more wanted to murder Jesus, “because not only was he breaking the Sabbath, but he was even calling God his own Father, making himself equal with God (ἴσον ἑαυτὸν ποιῶν τῷ θεῷ)” (18). The Jews clearly understood Jesus as saying that He was GOD, and equal to GOD The Father.

In verse 26, Jesus is explaining further what He says in verse 21, “For just as (ὥσπερ, in the same way) the Father raises the dead and gives them life, so also (οὕτως καὶ) the Son gives life to whom He will”. Both the Father and Jesus Christ are here equally the “giver of life”, as we have the same Greek verb, “ζωοποιει”, used in the present, active, indicative, “to cause to live, give life”, for both Persons.

Just as the Father is the Source of all Life, and the Giver of Life; so He has “appointed”, the Incarnate Jesus Christ, as God-Man, as the Source of all Life, and the Giver of Life. As the Father has “appointed” to the Son to be the Ultimate Judge of all. In Hebrews 1:2 it says, “in these last days has spoken to us in His Son, whom He appointed (ἔθηκεν, from τίθημι, which can also mean, “to put into, to appoint, to make, to give”) heir of all things, with whom also He made the world”
 
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This is what Jesus means when He says in John 10:30, “ἐγὼ καὶ ὁ πατὴρ ἕν ἐσμεν”, where the literal meaning is, “I and the Father one thing We are”. “Essentially”, the Father and Son are ONE (ἕν, so the neuter); but they are not “identical Persons”, which is clear from “ἐσμεν”, the masculine plural.

Another verse that is used to try to “prove” the Father is the “source” of the Life of Jesus Christ, is John 6:57;

“Just as the living Father sent Me and I live because of the Father, so the one who feeds on Me will live because of Me”

Here Jesus uses, “ὁ ζῶν Πατὴρ” (the Living Father), as He said of Himself in Revelation 1:18, “ὁ ζῶν (the Living One), in both places we have the use of the continued, present. Jesus says that He Lives, “διὰ τὸν Πατέρα”, that is with the accusative in the Greek, “because the Father Lives”, His Life is essentially one with the Father. He also says in John 14:10, 11, “Don’t you believe that I am in the Father and the Father is in Me?... Believe Me that I am in the Father and the Father is in Me”. And, as we have seen, “The Father and I We are one thing” (10:30). As both the Father and Jesus Christ are equally essentially GOD, it is impossible for their “Lives” to be independent of one another, as their Lives are One and the same.

In the New Testament, we have Jesus Christ say of Himself, that He is Yahweh. This is clear from Matthew 11:10 (also Mark 1:2; Luke 7:27), where Jesus is speaking about John the Baptist, and quotes from Malachi 3:1. In the original Prophecy, in the Hebrew and Greek, we have the “πρὸ προσώπου μου”, which is the first person, “before My Face”. Jesus, on His own Authority, changes this to, “ἔμπροσθέν σου”, which is the second person, “before you”. By doing so, Jesus makes the Prophecy as addressed to Himself, as the Speaker of the words in Malachi, and that He is, “ʼâmar Yᵉhôvâh tsâbâ’ (the Lord of Hosts; the LXX reads, “λέγει κύριος παντοκράτωρ”, “says the Lord Almighty”). Some say that the Bible never calls Jesus Christ, “Almighty God”; here we have Jesus Christ say of Himself, that He is “ALMIGHTY GOD”. Isaiah 40:3 speaks of the Coming of “Yahweh”, “The voice of one crying in the wilderness: "Prepare the way of Yahweh; Make straight in the desert A highway for our God”. In the Gospels, John the Baptist says that this is fulfilled in the Coming of the Lord Jesus Christ, “For this is he who was spoken of by the prophet Isaiah, saying: The voice of one crying in the wilderness: 'Prepare the way of the LORD (Yahweh); Make His paths straight.”

On the meaning of the Name of Almighty God, “Yahweh (YHWH)”, the Hebrew lexicon by Brown, Driver and Briggs, says, “he one bringing into being, life-giver, giver of existence, creator, he who brings to pass, he one who is: i.e. the absolute and unchangeable one, the existing, ever living, as self-consistent and unchangeable”. The Jewish Encyclopaedia, says, “The meaning would, therefore, be "He who is self-existing, self-sufficient," or, more correctly, "He who lives"”
 
Do you at least believe Him in that we live by feeding off Him? The living bread that came down from heaven that one eats and never dies.

Your reasoning doesn't fit the context in the statement of Jesus. "Just as" Usually those who wish to teach don't go into length to explain away in that Jesus didn't mean what He stated as truth given. If your theology causes this perhaps you should look there for error not in Jesus's statements of truth.

Just as the living Father sent me and I live because of the Father, so the one who feeds on me will live because of me.

Apparently, Jesus has authority to give life.
For as the Father has life in himself, so he has granted the Son also to have life in himself. And he has given him authority to judge because he is the Son of Man.
 

Did The Father "Give" Life to Jesus Christ?​

The answer to this is yes.

According to Acts 17, God the Father is the creator of everything and doesn't require the use of human hands to serve Him. Jesus is a human, God's chosen servant, whom He anointed.

Furthermore, the one whom Jesus referred to as the Lord of heaven and Earth is the Father.

Matt 11
25At that time Jesus declared, “I praise You, Father, Lord of heaven and earth,...

Acts 17
24The God who made the world and everything in it is the Lord of heaven and earth and does not live in temples made by human hands. 25Nor is He served by human hands, as if He needed anything, because He Himself gives everyone life and breath and everything else. 26From one man He made every nation of men, that they should inhabit the whole earth; and He determined their appointed times and the boundaries of their lands.

27God intended that they would seek Him and perhaps reach out for Him and find Him, though He is not far from each one of us. 28‘For in Him we live and move and have our being.’ As some of your own poets have said, ‘We are His offspring.’f 29Therefore, being offspring of God, we should not think that the Divine Being is like gold or silver or stone, an image formed by man’s skill and imagination.
 
None of these threads ever come to agreement because people don't seem to understand that Jesus came as an example of how He wants us to live in this world,

I came not to judge the world Jn.12:47

That and prove His superiority over death,

he too shared in their humanity so that by his death he might break the power of him who holds the power of death—that is, the devil and free those who all their lives were held in slavery by their fear of death. Heb.2:14-15 NIV

Now we know the Judge of all.
 
The great significance that God tells His people of Israel concerning the first born son is unparalleled in scripture.

Why is the firstborn so important in the Bible?
In biblical times, the firstborn was given certain unique rights, responsibilities, and privileges. A married couple’s firstborn male child was given priority and preeminence in the family, and the best of the inheritance. The nation of Israel is identified as God’s “firstborn” in the Bible (Exodus 4:22; Jeremiah 31:9); in other words, Israel held a special place of privilege and blessing among the nations.


For me, I can't comprehend how a Christain can say the first creation, first as in before the creation of the universe, as well as the most spectacular & meaningful creation ever accomplished by God, the creation of His ONLY Son the Savior of the world and yet such a first spectacular creation event rates not even a mention in God's Word , yet the creation of " creeping things" does ?
I don't know how a Christian can rationalize such a gaping void of the first and most significant act of God's creation ?


Jhn 17:5
And now, O Father, glorify thou me with thine own self with the glory which I had with thee before the world was
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Do you at least believe Him in that we live by feeding off Him? The living bread that came down from heaven that one eats and never dies.

Your reasoning doesn't fit the context in the statement of Jesus. "Just as" Usually those who wish to teach don't go into length to explain away in that Jesus didn't mean what He stated as truth given. If your theology causes this perhaps you should look there for error not in Jesus's statements of truth.

Just as the living Father sent me and I live because of the Father, so the one who feeds on me will live because of me.

Apparently, Jesus has authority to give life.
For as the Father has life in himself, so he has granted the Son also to have life in himself. And he has given him authority to judge because he is the Son of Man.

In the Eternal Godhead, the Three distinct Persons are 100% COEEESNTIAL and COEQUAL.

The Father is not "greater" than Jesus Christ as God. When Jesus Christ, Who is Himself YHWH, became Incarnate, and took on Himself the "very Nature of Humans", while remaining YHWH, He for this time, did humble Himself under the Father, as He is the Servant.

It is very clear from passages like John 17:5; Philippians 2:5-11; Hebrews 2:9, that this "submission" to the Father is only while on earth.
 
According to Acts 17, God the Father is the creator of everything and doesn't require the use of human hands to serve Him. Jesus is a human, God's chosen servant, whom He anointed.

Hebrews 1:10-12

"And, “You, LORD, founded the earth at the beginning, And the heavens are a work of Your hands. These will perish, but You remain, And all will become old as a garment, And You will roll them together as a mantle, and they will be changed, But You are the same, and Your years will not fail.”

This is God the Father Addressing Jesus Christ as The Actual Creator, and quotes from Psalm 102:25-27, and applies these words spoken of YHWH, to Jesus

"Of old hast thou laid the foundation of the earth: and the heavens are the work of thy hands. They shall perish, but thou shalt endure: yea, all of them shall wax old like a garment; as a vesture shalt thou change them, and they shall be changed: But thou art the same, and thy years shall have no end"

When Genesis 1:1 says, "In the beginning God Created the heavens and the earth", the plural "’ĕ·lō·hîm", must include the Father and Jesus Christ.
 
None of these threads ever come to agreement because people don't seem to understand that Jesus came as an example of how He wants us to live in this world,

I came not to judge the world Jn.12:47

That and prove His superiority over death,

he too shared in their humanity so that by his death he might break the power of him who holds the power of death—that is, the devil and free those who all their lives were held in slavery by their fear of death. Heb.2:14-15 NIV

Now we know the Judge of all.

Do you not believe what the Bible clearly teaches about Jesus Christ, that He IS YHWH, The Great I AM?
 
In the Eternal Godhead, the Three distinct Persons are 100% COEEESNTIAL and COEQUAL.

The Father is not "greater" than Jesus Christ as God. When Jesus Christ, Who is Himself YHWH, became Incarnate, and took on Himself the "very Nature of Humans", while remaining YHWH, He for this time, did humble Himself under the Father, as He is the Servant.

It is very clear from passages like John 17:5; Philippians 2:5-11; Hebrews 2:9, that this "submission" to the Father is only while on earth.
I understand the creeds perhaps you need to explain them to Jesus.
 
Do you not believe what the Bible clearly teaches about Jesus Christ, that He IS YHWH, The Great I AM?
Yes I do. That's how I know toruring Him as a man was sinful. Jesus could have had them executed for breaking Moses' law,

Having abolished in his flesh the enmity, even the law of commandments contained inordinances; Eph.2:6 JJV

having blotted out the handwriting in the ordinances that is against us Col.2:14 YLT
 
In the Eternal Godhead, the Three distinct Persons are 100% COEEESNTIAL and COEQUAL.

The Father is not "greater" than Jesus Christ as God. When Jesus Christ, Who is Himself YHWH, became Incarnate, and took on Himself the "very Nature of Humans", while remaining YHWH, He for this time, did humble Himself under the Father, as He is the Servant.

It is very clear from passages like John 17:5; Philippians 2:5-11; Hebrews 2:9, that this "submission" to the Father is only while on earth.
Jesus Himself in heaven calls the one on the throne His God and Father.
If that doesn't state to you who is the greater in Jesus's mind then you will never believe but that doesn't make it a lie.

To you the word ended and became a Son and remained a Son.

To me God does not change and has no end.
 
Jesus Himself in heaven calls the one on the throne His God and Father.
If that doesn't state to you who is the greater in Jesus's mind then you will never believe but that doesn't make it a lie.

To you the word ended and became a Son and remained a Son.

To me God does not change and has no end.

 
If you believed, then you would understand that in the Son the Fathers nature was pleased to dwell at the Fathers will and Jesus is that same Son. A Son in whom all the fullness of God the Father was pleased to live. Col 1:19
This is forever: The Father is in the Son and the Son is in the Father. They are one. That was before the world began. Before the angels of God. Before thrones and authorities were established in the heavenly realms.

Jesus sat down with the Father in heaven on His Fathers throne. The one "He" calls His God and His Father. For what the Son states is truth. Whether that is the Father is the only true God; He lives by the Father as we live by Him; the Father is His God; The Father is greater than Him: To state otherwise is to teach the Son does not always state truth. Is that what you believe?

The risen Lord declares the Father is His God.
“You heard me say, ‘I am going away and I am coming back to you.’ If you loved me, you would be glad that I am going to the Father, for the Father is greater than I.
 
Hebrews 1:10-12

"And, “You, LORD, founded the earth at the beginning, And the heavens are a work of Your hands. These will perish, but You remain, And all will become old as a garment, And You will roll them together as a mantle, and they will be changed, But You are the same, and Your years will not fail.”
Hebrews 1:10 refers back to God mentioned in verse 9. Verse 10 is referriing to the God that annointed the Son. The God who annointed the Son is the Father. The Son isn't God.

Hebrews 1
9You have loved righteousness
and hated wickedness;
therefore God, Your God, has anointed You
above Your companions with the oil of joy.”
10And:
“In the beginning, O Lord, You laid the foundations of the earth,
and the heavens are the work of Your hands.

This is God the Father Addressing Jesus Christ as The Actual Creator, and quotes from Psalm 102:25-27, and applies these words spoken of YHWH, to Jesus
Jesus isn't the actual creator, hence the bible never says that. The actual creator is God and Jesus is His anointed servant.

Acts 4
24When the believers heard this, they lifted up their voices to God with one accord. “Sovereign Lord,” they said, “You made the heaven and the earth and the sea and everything in them.
27In fact, this is the very city where Herod and Pontius Pilate conspired with the Gentiles and the people of Israel against Your holy servant Jesus, whom You anointed.
"Of old hast thou laid the foundation of the earth: and the heavens are the work of thy hands. They shall perish, but thou shalt endure: yea, all of them shall wax old like a garment; as a vesture shalt thou change them, and they shall be changed: But thou art the same, and thy years shall have no end"
That refers to YHWH. Jesus isn't YHWH.

Acts 2
33Exalted, then, to the right hand of God, He has received from the Father the promised Holy Spirit and has poured out what you now see and hear. 34For David did not ascend into heaven, but he himself says:

‘The Lord[YHWH] said to my Lord,[Jesus]
“Sit at My right hand
35until I make Your enemies
a footstool for Your feet.” ’

When Genesis 1:1 says, "In the beginning God Created the heavens and the earth", the plural "’ĕ·lō·hîm", must include the Father and Jesus Christ.
Nope. No mention of Jesus saying or doing anything in the Old Testament.
 
Hebrews 1:10 refers back to God mentioned in verse 9. Verse 10 is referriing to the God that annointed the Son. The God who annointed the Son is the Father. The Son isn't God.

Hebrews 1
9You have loved righteousness
and hated wickedness;
therefore God, Your God, has anointed You
above Your companions with the oil of joy.”
10And:
“In the beginning, O Lord, You laid the foundations of the earth,
and the heavens are the work of Your hands.


Jesus isn't the actual creator, hence the bible never says that. The actual creator is God and Jesus is His anointed servant.

Acts 4
24When the believers heard this, they lifted up their voices to God with one accord. “Sovereign Lord,” they said, “You made the heaven and the earth and the sea and everything in them.
27In fact, this is the very city where Herod and Pontius Pilate conspired with the Gentiles and the people of Israel against Your holy servant Jesus, whom You anointed.

That refers to YHWH. Jesus isn't YHWH.

Acts 2
33Exalted, then, to the right hand of God, He has received from the Father the promised Holy Spirit and has poured out what you now see and hear. 34For David did not ascend into heaven, but he himself says:

‘The Lord[YHWH] said to my Lord,[Jesus]
“Sit at My right hand
35until I make Your enemies
a footstool for Your feet.” ’


Nope. No mention of Jesus saying or doing anything in the Old Testament.

Who does Genesis 1.1 refer to
 

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