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Jesus Did Not Explicitly Mention Trinitarians Or Non-Trinitarians In The Bible.

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Thursday 2-1-24 5th. Day Of The Weekly Cycle, Shevat 20 5784, 42nd. Winter Day

Has Jesus mentioned anything about Trinitarians Or Non-Trinitarians? Yet we have our beliefs.

Should we not just have one? Explanation Of Unity: Ephesians 4:4-6

Love, Walter And Debbie
 
Not only did Jesus not use the word 'three' in connection with God, but no writer of Scripture ever uses the word 'three' in reference to God in the entire Bible.
 
Thursday 2-1-24 5th. Day Of The Weekly Cycle, Shevat 20 5784, 42nd. Winter Day

Has Jesus mentioned anything about Trinitarians Or Non-Trinitarians? Yet we have our beliefs.

Should we not just have one? Explanation Of Unity: Ephesians 4:4-6

Love, Walter And Debbie
Jesus mentioned many things that imply a Trinity, such as implicit and explicit claims to his deity, implicit claims to the deity and person of the Holy Spirit, and the Great Commission (one name, three persons). The passage in Eph 4:4-6 supports this.

So, yes, we should have one, and that’s Trinitarianism, if that’s what you meant.
 
Not only did Jesus not use the word 'three' in connection with God, but no writer of Scripture ever uses the word 'three' in reference to God in the entire Bible.
Yet, all three are mentioned together in the same context more than once.

On the other hand, Bible writers have used the words "one" and "only" to describe YHWH (God and Father).
To equate YHWH with only God the Father is to fallaciously beg the question.
 
Jesus mentioned many things that imply a Trinity, such as implicit and explicit claims to his deity, implicit claims to the deity and person of the Holy Spirit, and the Great Commission (one name, three persons). The passage in Eph 4:4-6 supports this.

So, yes, we should have one, and that’s Trinitarianism, if that’s what you meant.
No Sir Free I did not mean that way, but I do believe in some scriptures, such as Genesis 1:2, etc.
 
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Thursday 2-1-24 5th. Day Of The Weekly Cycle, Shevat 20 5784, 42nd. Winter Day

Has Jesus mentioned anything about Trinitarians Or Non-Trinitarians? Yet we have our beliefs.

Should we not just have one? Explanation Of Unity: Ephesians 4:4-6

Love, Walter And Debbie
yes and it seems Jesus actually denied the possibility of a Trinity, perhaps prophetically, indicating that there is only one God, the Lord YHWH, also known as the Father. The one Jesus loves, obeys, worships, and prays to throughout the gospels. Not only that, he even said it's the most important.

Mark
29Jesus replied, “This is the most important: ‘Hear O Israel, the Lord our God, the Lord is One.
 
yes and it seems Jesus actually denied the possibility of a Trinity, perhaps prophetically, indicating that there is only one God, the Lord YHWH, also known as the Father. The one Jesus loves, obeys, worships, and prays to throughout the gospels. Not only that, he even said it's the most important.

Mark
29Jesus replied, “This is the most important: ‘Hear O Israel, the Lord our God, the Lord is One.
Good morning Runningman, Amen!

Love, Walter And Debbie
 
yes and it seems Jesus actually denied the possibility of a Trinity, perhaps prophetically, indicating that there is only one God, the Lord YHWH, also known as the Father. The one Jesus loves, obeys, worships, and prays to throughout the gospels. Not only that, he even said it's the most important.

Mark
29Jesus replied, “This is the most important: ‘Hear O Israel, the Lord our God, the Lord is One.
Not at all. That verse is a statement of monotheism only. Don’t conflate monotheism with the nature of God. There isn’t a single verse which directly or clearly states that God is only one person.
 
There isn’t a single verse which directly or clearly states that God is only one person.
Jesus said otherwise. I believe all of the talk in the Bible about there being one God, the Father, who is a person. He's the only true God.

John 17
1When Jesus had spoken these things, He lifted up His eyes to heaven and said, “Father, the hour has come. Glorify Your Son, that Your Son may glorify You. 2For You granted Him authority over all people, so that He may give eternal life to all those You have given Him. 3Now this is eternal life, that they may know You, the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom You have sent.
 
Jesus said otherwise. I believe all of the talk in the Bible about there being one God, the Father, who is a person. He's the only true God.

John 17
1When Jesus had spoken these things, He lifted up His eyes to heaven and said, “Father, the hour has come. Glorify Your Son, that Your Son may glorify You. 2For You granted Him authority over all people, so that He may give eternal life to all those You have given Him. 3Now this is eternal life, that they may know You, the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom You have sent.
That’s out of context, as I have pointed out several times before, including leaving out that eternal life life depends also on knowing Jesus. Interestingly, this article came to my email later in the day:

https://www.crossway.org/articles/what-does-deuteronomy-64-mean/
 
Thursday 2-1-24 5th. Day Of The Weekly Cycle, Shevat 20 5784, 42nd. Winter Day

Has Jesus mentioned anything about Trinitarians Or Non-Trinitarians? Yet we have our beliefs.

Should we not just have one? Explanation Of Unity: Ephesians 4:4-6

Love, Walter And Debbie
You're being too obsessed with labels. There's a satanic trinity of the Dragon, the Beast and the False Prophet (Rev. 16:13), although the word "trinity" is not used, this triad is mentioned and it's real, that's the counterfeit of the Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit. If the Trinity is not real, Satan wouldn't have counterfeited it.
 
That’s out of context, as I have pointed out several times before, including leaving out that eternal life life depends also on knowing Jesus. Interestingly, this article came to my email later in the day:

https://www.crossway.org/articles/what-does-deuteronomy-64-mean/
Romans 9:4,5, rightly translated by the RSV, undermines that article. The LORD and God of Israel is YHWH, a.k.a. the Father. Jesus is an ethic Jew, an Israelite, under the laws and covenants; that isn't a description of God. Jesus' God is YHWH.

Romans 9:4,5 (RSV)
4 They are Israelites, and to them belong the sonship, the glory, the covenants, the giving of the law, the worship, and the promises; 5 to them belong the patriarchs, and of their race, according to the flesh, is the Christ. God who is over all be blessed for ever. Amen.

Micah 5
4He will stand and shepherd His flock
in the strength of the LORD,
in the majestic name of the LORD His God.
And they will dwell securely,
for then His greatness will extend
to the ends of the earth.
 
You're being too obsessed with labels. There's a satanic trinity of the Dragon, the Beast and the False Prophet (Rev. 16:13), although the word "trinity" is not used, this triad is mentioned and it's real, that's the counterfeit of the Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit. If the Trinity is not real, Satan wouldn't have counterfeited it.
Good morning Carry_Your_Name, We will look at it again, and pray about it, but do you have a copy of the doctrine?

Love, Walter
 
Romans 9:4,5, rightly translated by the RSV, undermines that article. The LORD and God of Israel is YHWH,
How, exactly, does Romans 9:4-5 undermine the article? All the article states is that Deut 6:4 is about monotheism, which is what I said. It also fully affirms that YHWH alone is the God of Israel, which, again, is monotheism.

As for "rightly translated," there is disagreement, since what punctuation is to be used and where it is placed is entriely up to translators. But, it does seem the better rendering is that found in most translations:

Rom 9:5 To them belong the patriarchs, and from their race, according to the flesh, is the Christ, who is God over all, blessed forever. Amen. (ESV)

Notice that Paul adds the clause "according to the flesh." You believe Jesus is only a man, which if he was, then saying that the Messiah is a descendant of the Israelites according to the flesh is meaningless; it would be to state the obvious and wouldn't tell us something we already didn't know. However, it does mean something if Paul is stating that the Messiah is an Israelite as to his human nature, but also has a divine nature, being "God over all." That would be in full agreement with John 1:1-18.

a.k.a. the Father.
Again, this is fallaciously begging the question.

Jesus is an ethic Jew, an Israelite, under the laws and covenants;
Of course he is. That has never been up for debate.

that isn't a description of God.
But it could very well be a description of God in human flesh, could it not? If God says the Messiah would come from the line of David, but God himself was to be the Messiah, why would he not hold to his word and be born in the flesh of the line of David?

Jesus' God is YHWH.
As to his human nature, Jesus's God is the Father. However, Jesus is also YHWH, as he claims in John 8:58, which means he also has a divine nature.

Micah 5

4He will stand and shepherd His flock
in the strength of the LORD,
in the majestic name of the LORD His God.
And they will dwell securely,
for then His greatness will extend
to the ends of the earth.
What do you think this verse supports? It doesn't preclude Jesus from also being God.
 
Good morning Carry_Your_Name, We will look at it again, and pray about it, but do you have a copy of the doctrine?

Love, Walter
Go search the Apostle's Creed (or Nicene Creed), that will do. This creed functions as an anchor of Christian worldview and belief, any doctrine that drifts too far off is in danger of being a heresy.
 

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