Statue of Liberty needs a nose job

[D-D-W]

I really am not interested in what the dictionary says.

Then you are recreating the language in your own image. Not a good thing.

Can you give me an example of a nation that is Governed by Apostles of Jesus Christ who live like the book of Acts 4.

At this time - no. Sinful mankind messes that up ASAP. Probably the Millennial Messianic kingdom will work that way.

 

[D-D-W]

I never said a Jew said that.

Should not the Jews be the ones describing their own festivals?

 

[JLB]

Then you are recreating the language in your own image. Not a good thing.

Please don't misrepresent me by making such claims as "I'm recreating the language in my own image". That is just utter and complete nonsense.


JLB

 

[JLB]

Should not the Jews be the ones describing their own festivals?

No.

The word of God is our guide.

How do YOU observe the feast of Tabernacles?

 

[D-D-W]

The word of God is our guide.
How do YOU observe the feast of Tabernacles?

Since there is no temple or functioning priesthood - the animal sacrifices cannot be done, (side note - most of those festival sacrifices had nothing to do with sins or guilt; so they are not necessarily replaced by our Lord's death)

I do build a Sukkah and eat meals in it. I do attend services (holy convocation) on the 1st and 8th days. It is usually too cold that time of year to sleep in the sukkah, but have tried a few times.

 

[D-D-W]

Please don't misrepresent me by making such claims as "I'm recreating the language in my own image".

If you are not using the dictionary definitions, what would you call it?

 

[JLB]

Since there is no temple or functioning priesthood - the animal sacrifices cannot be done, (side note - most of those festival sacrifices had nothing to do with sins or guilt; so they are not necessarily replaced by our Lord's death)

I do build a Sukkah and eat meals in it. I do attend services (holy convocation) on the 1st and 8th days. It is usually too cold that time of year to sleep in the sukkah, but have tried a few times.

Does this practice come from the New Testament ?

 

[JLB]

If you are not using the dictionary definitions, what would you call it?

When discussing the Bible I use scripture not dictionaries with made made words.

 

[D-D-W]

Does this practice come from the New Testament ?

I am sure you already know the answer to that. No. But the question itself shows a lack of understanding that the bible is ONE book; not 2, not 66. It comes from the bible and from 2nd temple period Jewish application of the bible.

BTW - the final destruction of the earth is likened to Sukkot.
The earth will be destroyed by fire. (2 Pet 3:10)
Isa 51:6 says it will be wrapped up and discarded like a used garment.

In the 2nd temple period, the garments worn by the priests that were too soiled to continue using were bundled up and used for wicks in giant oil lamps on top of the temple mount. They turned midnight in the entire city of Jerusalem as bright as noon day for the entire week. (Josephus and Talmud)

 

[D-D-W]

When discussing the Bible I use scripture not dictionaries with man made words.

The word "Socialism" is in scripture text? Where?

 

[JLB]

I am sure you already know the answer to that. No. But the question itself shows a lack of understanding that the bible is ONE book; not 2, not 66. It comes from the bible and from 2nd temple period Jewish application of the bible.

BTW - the final destruction of the earth is likened to Sukkot.
The earth will be destroyed by fire. (2 Pet 3:10)
Isa 51:6 says it will be wrapped up and discarded like a used garment.

In the 2nd temple period, the garments worn by the priests that were too soiled to continue using were bundled up and used for wicks in giant oil lamps on top of the temple mount. They turned midnight in the entire city of Jerusalem as bright as noon day for the entire week. (Josephus and Talmud)

If the practice doesn’t come from scripture, then why do you do it.


Did you know that in the Talmud, Jesus is referred to as a false prophet and false messiah, a deceiver of Jews?




JLB

 

[JLB]

The word "Socialism" is in scripture text? Where?

Its not, which is my point.


Acts 4 is not describing as Socialism, as you tried to say.

 

[D-D-W]

If the practice doesn’t come from scripture, then why do you do it.

It is a scripture honoring thing.

Leviticus 23:33
Then the Lord spoke to Moses, saying, 34 “Speak to the children of Israel, saying: ‘The fifteenth day of this seventh month shall be the Feast of Tabernacles for seven days to the Lord. 35 On the first day there shall be a holy convocation. You shall do no customary work on it. 36 For seven days you shall offer an offering made by fire to the Lord. On the eighth day you shall have a holy convocation, and you shall offer an offering made by fire to the Lord. It is a sacred assembly, and you shall do no customary work on it.
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39 ‘Also on the fifteenth day of the seventh month, when you have gathered in the fruit of the land, you shall keep the feast of the Lord for seven days; on the first day there shall be a sabbath-rest, and on the eighth day a sabbath-rest. 40 And you shall take for yourselves on the first day the fruit of beautiful trees, branches of palm trees, the boughs of leafy trees, and willows of the brook; and you shall rejoice before the Lord your God for seven days. 41 You shall keep it as a feast to the Lord for seven days in the year. It shall be a statute forever in your generations. You shall celebrate it in the seventh month. 42 You shall dwell in booths for seven days. All who are native Israelites shall dwell in booths, 43 that your generations may know that I made the children of Israel dwell in booths when I brought them out of the land of Egypt: I am the Lord your God.’ ”

I neglected to add in that I (for the past 25 years) have bought a Lulav-etrog set as part of the Sukkot celebration:

"The fruit of beautiful trees" = etrog. It is a type of citron.
"The branches of palm trees" = lulav.
"Tabernacle" = "booth" = sukkah (sukkot is the plural)

Did you know that in the Talmud, Jesus is referred to as a false prophet and false messiah, a deceiver of Jews?

The Talmuds say a lot of things. Some is good, some is ok, some is bad. They had hundreds if not thousands of contributors. We do not consider it scripture or binding, but historical; and parts of it can be useful. The rest we ignore.

 

[D-D-W]

Acts 4 is not describing as Socialism, as you tried to say.

Except it fits the dictionary definition of that word.

Re-read my post #43. Definition 2A.

Why is it "socialism" if it is in secular society, but NOT socialism when talking about the early church? Both have no individual ownership - which is the definition of the word.

Acts 4:32
Now the multitude of those who believed were of one heart and one soul; neither did anyone say that any of the things he possessed was his own, but they had all things in common.

 

[JLB]

Except it fits the dictionary definition of that word.

Re-read my post #43. Definition 2A.

Why is it "socialism" if it is in secular society, but NOT socialism when talking about the early church? Both have no individual ownership - which is the definition of the word.

No such thing as Socialism in scripture.

Please point out a socialist country that has Apostles of Jesus Christ overseeing the distribution of provision.

 

[JLB]

It is a scripture honoring thing.

Leviticus 23:33
Then the Lord spoke to Moses, saying, 34 “Speak to the children of Israel, saying: ‘The fifteenth day of this seventh month shall be the Feast of Tabernacles for seven days to the Lord. 35 On the first day there shall be a holy convocation. You shall do no customary work on it. 36 For seven days you shall offer an offering made by fire to the Lord. On the eighth day you shall have a holy convocation, and you shall offer an offering made by fire to the Lord. It is a sacred assembly, and you shall do no customary work on it.
....
39 ‘Also on the fifteenth day of the seventh month, when you have gathered in the fruit of the land, you shall keep the feast of the Lord for seven days; on the first day there shall be a sabbath-rest, and on the eighth day a sabbath-rest. 40 And you shall take for yourselves on the first day the fruit of beautiful trees, branches of palm trees, the boughs of leafy trees, and willows of the brook; and you shall rejoice before the Lord your God for seven days. 41 You shall keep it as a feast to the Lord for seven days in the year. It shall be a statute forever in your generations. You shall celebrate it in the seventh month. 42 You shall dwell in booths for seven days. All who are native Israelites shall dwell in booths, 43 that your generations may know that I made the children of Israel dwell in booths when I brought them out of the land of Egypt: I am the Lord your God.’ ”

I neglected to add in that I (for the past 25 years) have bought a Lulav-etrog set as part of the Sukkot celebration:
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"The fruit of beautiful trees" = etrog. It is a type of citron.
"The branches of palm trees" = lulav.
"Tabernacle" = "booth" = sukkah (sukkot is the plural)


The Talmuds say a lot of things. Some is good, some is ok, some is bad. They had hundreds if not thousands of contributors. We do not consider it scripture or binding, but historical; and parts of it can be useful. The rest we ignore.

Stick to scripture when discussing and doing the things of the Lord.

It's not good to leave out verses when quoting the scriptures.


These are the feasts of the LORD which you shall proclaim to be holy convocations, to offer an offering made by fire to the LORD, a burnt offering and a grain offering, a sacrifice and drink offerings, everything on its day— Leviticus 33:37



On the fifteenth day of the seventh month you shall have a holy convocation. You shall do no customary work, and you shall keep a feast to the LORD seven days. You shall present a burnt offering, an offering made by fire as a sweet aroma to the LORD: thirteen young bulls, two rams, and fourteen lambs in their first year. They shall be without blemish. Their grain offering shall be of fine flour mixed with oil: three-tenths of an ephah for each of the thirteen bulls, two-tenths for each of the two rams, and one-tenth for each of the fourteen lambs; also one kid of the goats as a sin offering, besides the regular burnt offering, its grain offering, and its drink offering. ‘On the second day present twelve young bulls, two rams, fourteen lambs in their first year without blemish, also one kid of the goats as a sin offering, besides the regular burnt offering, its grain offering, and its drink offering. ‘On the second day present twelve young bulls, two rams, fourteen lambs in their first year without blemish, and their grain offering and their drink offerings for the bulls, for the rams, and for the lambs, by their number, according to the ordinance; also one kid of the goats as a sin offering, besides the regular burnt offering with its grain offering, and their drink offerings. ‘On the third day present eleven bulls, two rams, fourteen lambs in their first year without blemish, and their grain offering and their drink offerings for the bulls, for the rams, and for the lambs, by their number, according to the ordinance; also one goat as a sin offering, besides the regular burnt offering, its grain offering, and its drink offering.
Numbers 29:12-22

Literally a different animal sacrifice for 7 days.



JLB

 

[D-D-W]

Stick to scripture when discussing and doing the things of the Lord.

It's not good to leave out verses when quoting the scriptures.

These are the feasts of the LORD which you shall proclaim to be holy convocations, to offer an offering made by fire to the LORD, a burnt offering and a grain offering, a sacrifice and drink offerings, everything on its day— Leviticus 33:37
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Literally a different animal sacrifice for 7 days.

I was quoting those verses that specifically pertain to Sukkot. V 37 is a general command to be applied to all of the festivals.

And as I already pointed out, without a functioning priesthood or a temple to offer sacrifices in, there can be no sacrifices. That point is moot.

 

[JLB]

I was quoting those verses that specifically pertain to Sukkot. V 37 is a general command to be applied to all of the festivals.

And as I already pointed out, without a functioning priesthood or a temple to offer sacrifices in, there can be no sacrifices. That point is moot.

Without a temple and Levitical Priesthood, the law of Moses is moot.


Making up parts of the law that you decide to observe, and then using the Talmud as a guide, while claiming you are Torah observant is walking in the commandments of men, at best.


We are to live our life according to the Spirit, a new and living way.


In Christ, our Priesthood is according to Melchizedek not Levi.


Therefore, if perfection were through the Levitical priesthood (for under it the people received the law), what further need was there that another priest should rise according to the order of Melchizedek, and not be called according to the order of Aaron? For the priesthood being changed, of necessity there is also a change of the law.
Hebrews 7:11-12




JLB

 

[D-D-W]

Without a temple and Levitical Priesthood, the law of Moses is moot.

Not so fast. There is a lot more to the Law than animal sacrifice. While the sin and guilt offerings were obsoleted by the death and resurrection of Our Lord, not much else was. There are 15 instances in the Law where it calls it a "perpetual statute." You can him and haw as much as you like about it being gone, God said it was perpetual.

Making up parts of the law that you decide to observe, and then using the Talmud as a guide, while claiming you are Torah observant is walking in the commandments of men, at best.

I never said i was "Torah observant." As I said, without a temple and functioning priesthood, that is impossible. But we follow what we CAN follow in the current situation.

We are to live our life according to the Spirit, a new and living way.

Agreed. But that will in no way violate the Mosaic standard.

In Christ, our Priesthood is according to Melchizedek not Levi.

And Christ was the absolutely most observant orthodox Jew that ever lived. WWJD??

Therefore, if perfection were through the Levitical priesthood (for under it the people received the law), what further need was there that another priest should rise according to the order of Melchizedek, and not be called according to the order of Aaron? For the priesthood being changed, of necessity there is also a change of the law.
Hebrews 7:11-12

Yes. That is exactly right. The change of priesthood and the law was how sins were dealt with/forgiven/absolved. That changed from detailed instructions on the sin, guilt and Yom Kippur sacrifices done by the Levitical priests to the sacrifice of our Lord, done by the Melchizedek high priest.

 

[JLB]

There is a lot more to the Law than animal sacrifice.

Of course.

Feast days
Sabbath laws
Animal sacrifices
Food laws
Clothing laws
Forbidding Gentile marriage
Ordinances of punishment and death for violations
Temple and Tabernacle requirements
Ordinances for returning to Jerusalem
Moral Commandments

…and more