Where is the "holy place"? Once again is the 'new temple' going to be holy? IF you believe so, please tell me what you believe makes it holy.
It's just outside the holy of holies.
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Where is the "holy place"? Once again is the 'new temple' going to be holy? IF you believe so, please tell me what you believe makes it holy.
Where is the "holy place"? Once again is the 'new temple' going to be holy? IF you believe so, please tell me what you believe makes it holy.
15 "Therefore when you see the 'abomination of desolation,' spoken of by Daniel the prophet, standing in the holy place" (whoever reads, let him understand), 16 then let those who are in Judea flee to the mountains. 17 Let him who is on the housetop not go down to take anything out of his house. 18 And let him who is in the field not go back to get his clothes. 19 But woe to those who are pregnant and to those who are nursing babies in those days! 20 And pray that your flight may not be in winter or on the Sabbath. 21 For then there will be great tribulation, such as has not been since the beginning of the world until this time, no, nor ever shall be. Matthew 24:15-21 when you see the 'abomination of desolation,' flee, for then there will be Great Tribulation...
Who is the "you" in this passage?
Whoever see's the AOD.
Paul's passage in 2 Thess 2 shows that the event was already underway in his day. The son of perdition was already alive. He was at that time being restrained from his takeover of the Temple. This shows without question that it was a first century event.
I don't see the verse in 2 Thessalonians 2 that teaches that a person had in fact gone to the temple and had proclaimed himself as God, as well as worked signs and wonders leading the people away from Jesus.
The Book of Revelation is nothing less than apostolic proclamation that the events of the Tribulation were underway when John wrote it in 68AD, while exiled on Patmos by Nero. (Rev 1:9-10)I don't find in any of the writings of the New Testament where Jesus returned and destroyed this son of perdition by the brightness of His Coming.
Nope, Mid 50's AD, about a decade before the siege began in 66, when the Man of Sin took over the temple as prophesied.Was 2 Thessalonians 2 written in 70 AD?
Manehem, Grandson of Judas the Galilean.What was this son of perdition's name?
Where is the "holy place"? Once again is the 'new temple' going to be holy? IF you believe so, please tell me what you believe makes it holy.
Excellent question. A 21st century stone temple built and operated by Talmudic Christ Rejectors will never be "Holy" by any definition.
15 "Therefore when you see the 'abomination of desolation,' spoken of by Daniel the prophet, standing in the holy place" (whoever reads, let him understand), 16 then let those who are in Judea flee to the mountains. 17 Let him who is on the housetop not go down to take anything out of his house. 18 And let him who is in the field not go back to get his clothes. 19 But woe to those who are pregnant and to those who are nursing babies in those days! 20 And pray that your flight may not be in winter or on the Sabbath. 21 For then there will be great tribulation, such as has not been since the beginning of the world until this time, no, nor ever shall be. Matthew 24:15-21 when you see the 'abomination of desolation,' flee, for then there will be Great Tribulation...
Who is the "you" in this passage?
Whoever see's the AOD.
Why would it be bad for whoever sees the AOD to be pregnant and/or nursing or have their flight be in winter?
Couldn't you just pack up the baby in the carseat, snap it into SUV and split no matter what season it is?... pull over when you need to nurse?
I dont think the mountains are that far of a car ride from Jerusalem that a baby can't nap in the car on the way.
And I live in Oregon.
If i "see" the AOD on TV, should I flee to the mountains too or is this JUST for Jerusalem dwellers?
No, but Paul testifies that that person was currently being restrained from his temple takeover as he wrote the letter. Necessitating a first century fulfillment.
The Book of Revelation is nothing less than apostolic proclamation that the events of the Tribulation were underway when John wrote it in 68AD, while exiled on Patmos by Nero. (Rev 1:9-10)
Nope, Mid 50's AD, about a decade before the siege began in 66, when the Man of Sin took over the temple as prophesied. In the mid 50's he was alive but restrained from his takeover.
When the Jewish Followers of Christ "saw" this Man of Sin takeover the temple in 66AD which began the revolt, and saw him commit the Abomination that brought Desolation, they knew the desolation of the city was at hand (Just as Jesus said it would be) so they fled to the mountains, as instructed by Christ, and escaped the destruction... the Nazerene sect - Jesus' JEWISH Followers, is the ONLY surviving Sect of Judiasm, as all other Jews were slaughtered when God Violently excommunicated them out of covenant with Him, as God Promised He would for their disobedience.(Deut 28) The Nazerenes were the remnant saved from destruction, again, as prophesied.
15 "Therefore when you see the 'abomination of desolation,' spoken of by Daniel the prophet, standing in the holy place" (whoever reads, let him understand), 16 then let those who are in Judea flee to the mountains. 17 Let him who is on the housetop not go down to take anything out of his house. 18 And let him who is in the field not go back to get his clothes. 19 But woe to those who are pregnant and to those who are nursing babies in those days! 20 And pray that your flight may not be in winter or on the Sabbath. 21 For then there will be great tribulation, such as has not been since the beginning of the world until this time, no, nor ever shall be. Matthew 24:15-21 when you see the 'abomination of desolation,' flee, for then there will be Great Tribulation...
This scripture does not say it is place called or named the holy place ..... You may imply it say that but it does not say it .....
Ok as usual i will try again in about 6 months.. one of these years we might change the others mind
Outer Court
Deb what makes a place holy?
Outer Court
I've read that there isn't room for the outer court, the Dome of the Rock will have to go first. Do you know?
Did you know Ezekiel's temple is outside the city? So if anyone believes the next Jewish temple is the one described in Ezekiel, then it won't be built on the Temple Mount.
Deb what makes a place holy?
The presence of the Holy Spirit, the Spirit of our God.
Chapter and verse?
Can you show from scripture where the book of Revelation was written in 68 AD?
Can you show from other New Testament writings were the man of sin was destroyed by the brightness of the Coming of the Lord.
Surely with such a fulfillment of scripture, one would think that it would have been recorded if it happened in the 50's.
That must have been confusing for all those Roman Soldiers when Jesus returned in the middle of the them destroying the city and sanctuary.
Ok. Well that clears up a lot of questions and bible prophecy.
Thanks. JLB
Deb what makes a place holy?
The presence of the Holy Spirit, the Spirit of our God.
Then why would that spirit abide in a 21st century stone building, built and operated by Talmudic cultists who openly reject Christ, and who have no existing covenant with God? Any Future "Jewish" temple will be no more "Holy" than the current Islamic Dome of the Rock is. They would be equal in their un-holyness.
6 And now you know what is restraining, that he may be revealed in his own time.