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what about the time he said to mary; dont touch me for I have not yet ascended to the father. later in the day he ate with them and likely exchanged hugs with them. This is the asvension I see in Dan 7. There may have been sevaral ascensions into the clouds or vanishings and reappearings.

Heb 9:28 is a reminder of Isaiah 66:5 to the first century justified by faith. Its the same salvatiin by deliverence of rom 11:26, which talks of the his coming to zion in the presence of the roman armies in isaiah 59 and deut 32; especially vs 42, These can still be an encouragement to...

Heb 9:28 is a reminder of Isaiah 66:5 to the first century justified by faith. Its the same salvatiin by deliverence of rom 11:26, which talks of the his coming to zion in the presence of the roman armies in isaiah 59 and deut 32; especially vs 42, These can still be an encouragement to stand...

Re: About how many here hold some preterism views? Sorry JBL, your answers and perspectives don't fit the reason, context, timing, logic and purposes of the conversations and teaching of Jesus in this passage. vs 24-26 applies to the suffering and persecution (and some deaths) of those who...

Re: About how many here hold some preterism views? JBL, So your saying that Jesus came in his kingdom in power, glory, with angels and reward; after his followers had been tested, suffered, some if tthem tasting death just 6-8 days later? You can't seperate lk 9:27 from vs 26 and previous...

JBL, So your saying that Jesus came in his kingdom in power, glory, with angels and reward; after his followers had been tested, suffered, some if tthem tasting death just 6-8 days later? You can't seperate lk 9:27 from vs 26 and previous verses. You can to yourself, but not to others. Thus...

But that doesn't excuse the association of his coming in power, glory, with angels and rewards with the lifes of some of those standing there. The context points to a time after they would be tested with their own crosses, which history also records occurred.. The narrative doesn't say...

What is your answer to that? Were they created with procreative organs? When Adam was alone, and God described the beasts and birds, it said that they were made 'after their kind'. The plants and fruits were also to bear seed. Then he says that there was not found a help meet suitable for...

Thanks for your honesty and thoughtfulness.

It says that they kept quiet and told no one IN THOSE DAYS [the days of Jesus' living] of the transfiguration, not particularly what they had seen [if anything] in the clouds. Here are the contexts of the 3 accounts for all to see. Note particularly the verse directly preceding [BLACK] the...

There are some who consider the roman armies circling of Jerusalem as the abomination [from the jewish perspective] which causes desolation. Compare the following. Mark 13:14 But when ye shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, standing where it ought not, (let...

JBL, I (WE) don't have time for your childish and simple games. Its been noted 4 times now that apost 424 contains the prior verae of lk 9:26 which indicates Jesus meaning of vs 27. The other parallel passages contain the same message in their prior verses. Yourr continual denial and...

I think this may be part of the meaning that on the WING of abominations come one who makes desolate. The 'wing' was the 'extension' of, or continuation of the abomination (after the cross and covenant) Due to the continuation of their practice came one who made them desolate. Another...

The language does exist. I think its evident for all ti see in post 424 that some of those who were standing there would see Jesus come in his kingdom in power, in His and his fathers glory; with the angels and with reward. The words of lk 9:27 are associated with vs 24-26, not as much...

See again post 424. http://www.christianforums.net/showthread.php?t=51722&p=814319&viewfull=1#post814319 The verses are pasted there. Matt 16; Mark 8; 9:1, and and Luke 9 are parallel passages. The words (except judgement, but implied with recompense or reward) are there. Your demand or...

See again post 424. The mention of some of their remaining till the coming of Jesus in his Kingdomis ascociated with his coming in power, in judgmentt, reward, and with the angels. Its part of the same conversation and the sentemce before Did Jesus come with reward, (favor) judgement, power...

The rebuttal and correction to that response was already posted. See post 424. This response seems so unfounded and unreasonable (without reason) to me that I actually can't (couldn't) tell if your serious. ??? Take care.

Were agreed that the kingdom of God is a present tense reality; and there is an association of belief in Christ as the son of supernatural living God/life-maker [Luke 9:18-20; Matt 16:13-19; Mark 8:27-31] with being born again and entering the kingdom,[John 3] but what do these verses have to...

Luke 9:26 sets the context for vs 27. Checking the context should be an immediate action for inductive and objectve study. Take care.

Yes, that's another supporting verse and message. Peter was foretold to follow jesus example in his death. John is the only original disciple who remained alive through the war and killings against the saints by Nero/Judaism (matt 23:34, 24:9; Dan 7:21,25) to witness/experience the events of...