All Humanity is Required to obey the Torah

[ratoncillopaisa1986]

Do not be deceived and confused, the Torah of Moses is for all humanity, not just for Israel. Do not murder and do not steal in the Torah is for all humanity, not just for Israel. The Torah was merely given to Israel to serve as an example to all nations of the earth, so that all humanity would also obey the Torah and govern themselves according to its laws. The Torah is a complete law given by God that establishes how an entire nation must be governed, and whoever breaks any of its commands deserves the death penalty. Yeshua taught obedience to the Torah, in the context of the belief in him. He never established some new religion that discarded that Jewish Torah that he himself also obeyed, even wearing the tzitzit that that Torah commands. It was the Romans who took the teachings of Yeshua, and detached the Jewish Torah that they hated from his teachings, and established a new religion that became "catholicism", which then became "protestantism". These are false religions that discard the Torah of Moses. This is why if you ask many christians and catholics about ordinary commands of the Torah, or even the feasts of the Torah, they are absolutely clueless. They foolishly think that the Torah is some old irrelevant law that is no longer needed to know and obey. And little do they know that Yeshua returns on this earth, in the year 6,000 from creation, according to the appointed times of the Torah and its calendar, to overthrow all the governments of the world, because none of them govern according to the Torah of God, and he will subject all humanity to his own government and will rule according to the laws in the Torah of Moses, for 1,000 literal years. He will descend with all his armies of angels, 400 million in number, and he will command them to capture all humanity to bring them to Israel, to judge every single human on the earth. He will appoint judges from those he saved and gave authority to rule with him, and all humanity will be judged in less than 5 months, according to the commands of the Torah of Moses. And most humanity will be condemned to be thrown over a lake of lava that will form on the southern side of Jerusalem, to be destroyed body and soul. They will have their existence completely taken from them with their last moments of existence in horror and agony, for not obeying the commands of God in the Torah. Only a small remnant from all humanity will be granted mercy and will remain alive. And they will multiply and become mighty nations, under the 1,000 year rulership of Yeshua. And whoever does not obey the Torah during that time will be judged and will be thrown over lava also. Even whoever merely direspects his brother and calls him a fool will be put to death over lava. And whoever commits any sin of sexual immorality will be put to death over lava also, without mercy. So he will rule the world with a rod of iron, according to the Torah of Moses. And because of this and the fear of all humanity to sin, the world will become righteous and full of the knowledge of God, in the final 1,000 years of this earth.

 

[for_his_glory]

To all those who think that all the laws have been fulfilled in Christ you are very wrong as below are the laws that are written upon our heart and can only be fulfilled when Christ returns and makes an end to sin by throwing it into the lake of fire with that of the beast and the false prophets. The only laws that Christ has fulfilled so far are that of the Temple and its sacrifices. Someone please show me in scripture where Jesus has fulfilled all the laws, because in Matthew 22:35-40 and Matthew 5:17, 18 Jesus does not say that he has already fulfilled all of them, but that love was the greatest of them all.

There are laws (commandments) of God that were especially written just for the Hebrews pertaining to the rituals of the Temple, sacrifices, festivals, Torah, Kohanim and Levites, the King and the Nazarite. Then there are the existing moral laws (commandments) for all of us to still follow as in prayers and blessings, love and brotherhood. The poor and unfortunate, treatment of the Gentiles, Marriage, divorce and family. Forbidden sexual relations, business practices, employees and servants. Vows, oaths, swearing, Court and Judicial procedures. Injuries and damages, property and property rights, criminal laws. Prophecy, idolatry and all its practices as the moral laws (commandments) keep us in line with the will of God.

We need to present ourselves a vessel of honor that God delights in as we allow the light of Christ shine in us and through us. This is a testimony of Gods grace and mercy as it is not ourselves that do any good thing, but Gods Spirit working in us and through us as we surrender our will to that of Gods will to be done.

Morality in God is His greatest commandment of love as we treat others as we want others to treat us. God is love and wants us to love and treat others as He loves and treats us.

Matthew 22:35 Then one of them, which was a lawyer, asked him a question, tempting him, and saying, 36 Master, which is the great commandment in the law? 37 Jesus said unto him, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind. 38 This is the first and great commandment. 39 And the second is like unto it, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself. 40 On these two commandments hang all the law and the prophets.

 

[Rõßεrt]

Hello ratoncillopaisa1986

Are you Jewish and trying to teach Noahide laws?

If so I'm interested in you bringing up

Yeshua

whom I believe you mean Jesus Christ of Nazareth?

interested as there seems to be no set rule for Jews that I can tell about discussing Jesus but I thought overall it was forbidden you read the New Testament which in part you quote

Matthew 22:35

So again, are you Jewish?

Yeshua taught obedience to the Torah, in the context of the belief in him. He never established some new religion that discarded that Jewish Torah that he himself also obeyed

He did obey them, it was required for Him to fulfill the law.

It was the Romans who took the teachings of Yeshua, and detached the Jewish Torah that they hated from his teachings

As I can see our old testament pretty much accurately reflects them, detached is technically true but surely not in such a manner that discards or obliterates form the record, we know what they are.

"catholicism", which then became "protestantism".

No, Protestants as the name indicates protest Catholics, Catholics are still Catholics, Protestants today seem quite ignorant of how their religion was formed or what it means to protest now or for eternity.

R.

 

[Free]

Do not be deceived and confused, the Torah of Moses is for all humanity, not just for Israel. Do not murder and do not steal in the Torah is for all humanity, not just for Israel. The Torah was merely given to Israel to serve as an example to all nations of the earth, so that all humanity would also obey the Torah and govern themselves according to its laws. The Torah is a complete law given by God that establishes how an entire nation must be governed, and whoever breaks any of its commands deserves the death penalty. Yeshua taught obedience to the Torah, in the context of the belief in him. He never established some new religion that discarded that Jewish Torah that he himself also obeyed, even wearing the tzitzit that that Torah commands. It was the Romans who took the teachings of Yeshua, and detached the Jewish Torah that they hated from his teachings, and established a new religion that became "catholicism", which then became "protestantism". These are false religions that discard the Torah of Moses.

No, it was the Jewish apostles, and even Jesus, who changed things:

Mar 7:18 And he said to them, “Then are you also without understanding? Do you not see that whatever goes into a person from outside cannot defile him,
Mar 7:19 since it enters not his heart but his stomach, and is expelled?” (Thus he declared all foods clean.)

That is repeated again in Acts:

Act 10:9 The next day, as they were on their journey and approaching the city, Peter went up on the housetop about the sixth hour to pray.
Act 10:10 And he became hungry and wanted something to eat, but while they were preparing it, he fell into a trance
Act 10:11 and saw the heavens opened and something like a great sheet descending, being let down by its four corners upon the earth.
Act 10:12 In it were all kinds of animals and reptiles and birds of the air.
Act 10:13 And there came a voice to him: “Rise, Peter; kill and eat.”
Act 10:14 But Peter said, “By no means, Lord; for I have never eaten anything that is common or unclean.”
Act 10:15 And the voice came to him again a second time, “What God has made clean, do not call common.”
Act 10:16 This happened three times, and the thing was taken up at once to heaven.

Then, according to the Council at Jerusalem:

Act 15:1 But some men came down from Judea and were teaching the brothers, “Unless you are circumcised according to the custom of Moses, you cannot be saved.”
Act 15:2 And after Paul and Barnabas had no small dissension and debate with them, Paul and Barnabas and some of the others were appointed to go up to Jerusalem to the apostles and the elders about this question.
Act 15:3 So, being sent on their way by the church, they passed through both Phoenicia and Samaria, describing in detail the conversion of the Gentiles, and brought great joy to all the brothers.
Act 15:4 When they came to Jerusalem, they were welcomed by the church and the apostles and the elders, and they declared all that God had done with them.
Act 15:5 But some believers who belonged to the party of the Pharisees rose up and said, “It is necessary to circumcise them and to order them to keep the law of Moses.”
Act 15:6 The apostles and the elders were gathered together to consider this matter.
Act 15:7 And after there had been much debate, Peter stood up and said to them, “Brothers, you know that in the early days God made a choice among you, that by my mouth the Gentiles should hear the word of the gospel and believe.
Act 15:8 And God, who knows the heart, bore witness to them, by giving them the Holy Spirit just as he did to us,
Act 15:9 and he made no distinction between us and them, having cleansed their hearts by faith.
Act 15:10 Now, therefore, why are you putting God to the test by placing a yoke on the neck of the disciples that neither our fathers nor we have been able to bear?
Act 15:11 But we believe that we will be saved through the grace of the Lord Jesus, just as they will.”
Act 15:12 And all the assembly fell silent, and they listened to Barnabas and Paul as they related what signs and wonders God had done through them among the Gentiles.
Act 15:13 After they finished speaking, James replied, “Brothers, listen to me.
Act 15:14 Simeon has related how God first visited the Gentiles, to take from them a people for his name.
Act 15:15 And with this the words of the prophets agree, just as it is written,
Act 15:16 “‘After this I will return, and I will rebuild the tent of David that has fallen; I will rebuild its ruins, and I will restore it,
Act 15:17 that the remnant of mankind may seek the Lord, and all the Gentiles who are called by my name, says the Lord, who makes these things
Act 15:18 known from of old.’
Act 15:19 Therefore my judgment is that we should not trouble those of the Gentiles who turn to God,
Act 15:20 but should write to them to abstain from the things polluted by idols, and from sexual immorality, and from what has been strangled, and from blood.
Act 15:21 For from ancient generations Moses has had in every city those who proclaim him, for he is read every Sabbath in the synagogues.”

Rom 3:20 For by works of the law no human being will be justified in his sight, since through the law comes knowledge of sin.
...
Rom 3:28 For we hold that one is justified by faith apart from works of the law.

Gal 2:15 We ourselves are Jews by birth and not Gentile sinners;
Gal 2:16 yet we know that a person is not justified by works of the law but through faith in Jesus Christ, so we also have believed in Christ Jesus, in order to be justified by faith in Christ and not by works of the law, because by works of the law no one will be justified.

Gal 3:10 For all who rely on works of the law are under a curse; for it is written, “Cursed be everyone who does not abide by all things written in the Book of the Law, and do them.”
Gal 3:11 Now it is evident that no one is justified before God by the law, for “The righteous shall live by faith.”
Gal 3:12 But the law is not of faith, rather “The one who does them shall live by them.”
Gal 3:13 Christ redeemed us from the curse of the law by becoming a curse for us—for it is written, “Cursed is everyone who is hanged on a tree”—
Gal 3:14 so that in Christ Jesus the blessing of Abraham might come to the Gentiles, so that we might receive the promised Spirit through faith.

(All ESV.)

There are parts of the law that Christians are to (or can) follow out of obedience to Christ, but the Bible is clear that following the law will never save (justify) anyone.

Gal 4:4 But when the fullness of time had come, God sent forth his Son, born of woman, born under the law,
Gal 4:5 to redeem those who were under the law, so that we might receive adoption as sons. (ESV)

This is why if you ask many christians and catholics about ordinary commands of the Torah, or even the feasts of the Torah, they are absolutely clueless. They foolishly think that the Torah is some old irrelevant law that is no longer needed to know and obey. And little do they know that Yeshua returns on this earth, in the year 6,000 from creation, according to the appointed times of the Torah and its calendar, to overthrow all the governments of the world, because none of them govern according to the Torah of God, and he will subject all humanity to his own government and will rule according to the laws in the Torah of Moses, for 1,000 literal years. He will descend with all his armies of angels, 400 million in number, and he will command them to capture all humanity to bring them to Israel, to judge every single human on the earth. He will appoint judges from those he saved and gave authority to rule with him, and all humanity will be judged in less than 5 months, according to the commands of the Torah of Moses. And most humanity will be condemned to be thrown over a lake of lava that will form on the southern side of Jerusalem, to be destroyed body and soul. They will have their existence completely taken from them with their last moments of existence in horror and agony, for not obeying the commands of God in the Torah. Only a small remnant from all humanity will be granted mercy and will remain alive. And they will multiply and become mighty nations, under the 1,000 year rulership of Yeshua. And whoever does not obey the Torah during that time will be judged and will be thrown over lava also. Even whoever merely direspects his brother and calls him a fool will be put to death over lava. And whoever commits any sin of sexual immorality will be put to death over lava also, without mercy. So he will rule the world with a rod of iron, according to the Torah of Moses. And because of this and the fear of all humanity to sin, the world will become righteous and full of the knowledge of God, in the final 1,000 years of this earth.

The only reason one will spend eternity apart from God is for not repenting of their sins and turning to Jesus, putting their faith and trust in him and his finished work on the cross.

 

[Rõßεrt]

Act 15:1 But some men came down from Judea and were teaching the brothers, “Unless you are circumcised according to the custom of Moses, you cannot be saved.”

Have you ever considered what that means then, if as an infant you were circumcised, to have been put under that law?

Bible Gateway passage: Galatians 5:3 - King James Version

For I testify again to every man that is circumcised, that he is a debtor to do the whole law.

www.biblegateway.com

Bible Gateway passage: Galatians 5:4 - King James Version

Christ is become of no effect unto you, whosoever of you are justified by the law; ye are fallen from grace.

www.biblegateway.com

Can you now be actually subject to the very law you declare to be free from?

 

[for_his_glory]

Do not be deceived and confused, the Torah of Moses is for all humanity, not just for Israel. Do not murder and do not steal in the Torah is for all humanity, not just for Israel. The Torah was merely given to Israel to serve as an example to all nations of the earth, so that all humanity would also obey the Torah and govern themselves according to its laws. The Torah is a complete law given by God that establishes how an entire nation must be governed, and whoever breaks any of its commands deserves the death penalty. Yeshua taught obedience to the Torah, in the context of the belief in him. He never established some new religion that discarded that Jewish Torah that he himself also obeyed, even wearing the tzitzit that that Torah commands. It was the Romans who took the teachings of Yeshua, and detached the Jewish Torah that they hated from his teachings, and established a new religion that became "catholicism", which then became "protestantism". These are false religions that discard the Torah of Moses. This is why if you ask many christians and catholics about ordinary commands of the Torah, or even the feasts of the Torah, they are absolutely clueless. They foolishly think that the Torah is some old irrelevant law that is no longer needed to know and obey. And little do they know that Yeshua returns on this earth, in the year 6,000 from creation, according to the appointed times of the Torah and its calendar, to overthrow all the governments of the world, because none of them govern according to the Torah of God, and he will subject all humanity to his own government and will rule according to the laws in the Torah of Moses, for 1,000 literal years. He will descend with all his armies of angels, 400 million in number, and he will command them to capture all humanity to bring them to Israel, to judge every single human on the earth. He will appoint judges from those he saved and gave authority to rule with him, and all humanity will be judged in less than 5 months, according to the commands of the Torah of Moses. And most humanity will be condemned to be thrown over a lake of lava that will form on the southern side of Jerusalem, to be destroyed body and soul. They will have their existence completely taken from them with their last moments of existence in horror and agony, for not obeying the commands of God in the Torah. Only a small remnant from all humanity will be granted mercy and will remain alive. And they will multiply and become mighty nations, under the 1,000 year rulership of Yeshua. And whoever does not obey the Torah during that time will be judged and will be thrown over lava also. Even whoever merely direspects his brother and calls him a fool will be put to death over lava. And whoever commits any sin of sexual immorality will be put to death over lava also, without mercy. So he will rule the world with a rod of iron, according to the Torah of Moses. And because of this and the fear of all humanity to sin, the world will become righteous and full of the knowledge of God, in the final 1,000 years of this earth.

Mat 24:36 But of that day and hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels of heaven, but my Father only.
Mat 24:37 But as the days of Noe were, so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.
Mat 24:38 For as in the days that were before the flood they were eating and drinking, marrying and giving in marriage, until the day that Noe entered into the ark,
Mat 24:39 And knew not until the flood came, and took them all away; so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.

 

[Free]

Have you ever considered what that means then, if as an infant you were circumcised, to have been put under that law?

Bible Gateway passage: Galatians 5:3 - King James Version

For I testify again to every man that is circumcised, that he is a debtor to do the whole law.

www.biblegateway.com

Bible Gateway passage: Galatians 5:4 - King James Version

Christ is become of no effect unto you, whosoever of you are justified by the law; ye are fallen from grace.

www.biblegateway.com

Can you now be actually subject to the very law you declare to be free from?

In context, Paul is talking about those who are circumcised as a means of justification, along with faith in Jesus. If someone is circumcised just because, with no view to justification, then, no, they are not subject to the law.

 

[Rõßεrt]

In context,

Context is very important, as I see the entire context of the bible can be summed up in one word

FAITH

Bible Gateway passage: Hebrews 11:6 - King James Version

But without faith it is impossible to please him: for he that cometh to God must believe that he is, and that he is a rewarder of them that diligently seek him.

www.biblegateway.com

Bible Gateway passage: John 4:24 - King James Version

God is a Spirit: and they that worship him must worship him in spirit and in truth.

www.biblegateway.com

Natural man always seeks to connect the context as you did, and it's important to do so, but if God is a spirit, and faith is itself intangible, where is the context for spiritual discernment limited?

Bible Gateway passage: 1 Corinthians 2:14 - King James Version

But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned.

www.biblegateway.com

Paul was a great metaphorical writer, are we even reasonable metaphorical readers?

 

[for_his_glory]

So again, are you Jewish?

Why would you think I was Jewish?

No, I'm a Spiritually born again child of God baptized in the Baptism of Christ under a better covenant of God's grace receiving the the gift of the indwelling of the Holy Spirit. John 3:5-7; Romans 8:3-14

Rom 8:1 There is therefore now no condemnation to them which are in Christ Jesus, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.
Rom 8:2 For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus hath made me free from the law of sin and death.
Rom 8:3 For what the law could not do, in that it was weak through the flesh, God sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh, and for sin, condemned sin in the flesh:
Rom 8:4 That the righteousness of the law might be fulfilled in us, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.

Not even the Jews could follow the 613 Levitical laws.

 

[Free]

Context is very important, as I see the entire context of the bible can be summed up in one word

FAITH

Bible Gateway passage: Hebrews 11:6 - King James Version

But without faith it is impossible to please him: for he that cometh to God must believe that he is, and that he is a rewarder of them that diligently seek him.

www.biblegateway.com

Bible Gateway passage: John 4:24 - King James Version

God is a Spirit: and they that worship him must worship him in spirit and in truth.

www.biblegateway.com

Natural man always seeks to connect the context as you did, and it's important to do so, but if God is a spirit, and faith is itself intangible, where is the context for spiritual discernment limited?

Bible Gateway passage: 1 Corinthians 2:14 - King James Version

But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned.

www.biblegateway.com

Paul was a great metaphorical writer, are we even reasonable metaphorical readers?

This has nothing to do with anything that is being discussed.

The context of what Paul is addressing and talking about is what matters, and that context is that circumcision for the purpose of justification is error. Paul tells us at the beginning of Galatians that he is addressing false teachers:

Gal 1:6 I am astonished that you are so quickly deserting him who called you in the grace of Christ and are turning to a different gospel—
Gal 1:7 not that there is another one, but there are some who trouble you and want to distort the gospel of Christ.
Gal 1:8 But even if we or an angel from heaven should preach to you a gospel contrary to the one we preached to you, let him be accursed.
Gal 1:9 As we have said before, so now I say again: If anyone is preaching to you a gospel contrary to the one you received, let him be accursed.
Gal 1:10 For am I now seeking the approval of man, or of God? Or am I trying to please man? If I were still trying to please man, I would not be a servant of Christ.

And then we get further context:

Gal 2:15 We ourselves are Jews by birth and not Gentile sinners;
Gal 2:16 yet we know that a person is not justified by works of the law but through faith in Jesus Christ, so we also have believed in Christ Jesus, in order to be justified by faith in Christ and not by works of the law, because by works of the law no one will be justified.
...
Gal 2:21 I do not nullify the grace of God, for if righteousness were through the law, then Christ died for no purpose.

Gal 3:1 O foolish Galatians! Who has bewitched you? It was before your eyes that Jesus Christ was publicly portrayed as crucified.
Gal 3:2 Let me ask you only this: Did you receive the Spirit by works of the law or by hearing with faith?
Gal 3:3 Are you so foolish? Having begun by the Spirit, are you now being perfected by the flesh?

Gal 4:4 But when the fullness of time had come, God sent forth his Son, born of woman, born under the law,
Gal 4:5 to redeem those who were under the law, so that we might receive adoption as sons.
...
Gal 4:8 Formerly, when you did not know God, you were enslaved to those that by nature are not gods.
Gal 4:9 But now that you have come to know God, or rather to be known by God, how can you turn back again to the weak and worthless elementary principles of the world, whose slaves you want to be once more?
Gal 4:10 You observe days and months and seasons and years!
...
Gal 4:21 Tell me, you who desire to be under the law, do you not listen to the law?

And then, the heart of the matter:

Gal 5:1 For freedom Christ has set us free; stand firm therefore, and do not submit again to a yoke of slavery.
Gal 5:2 Look: I, Paul, say to you that if you accept circumcision, Christ will be of no advantage to you.
Gal 5:3 I testify again to every man who accepts circumcision that he is obligated to keep the whole law.
Gal 5:4 You are severed from Christ, you who would be justified by the law; you have fallen away from grace.

Paul is addressing those who are putting themselves back under the yolk of slavery by either teaching, believing, or performing circumcision as necessary to be justified. He is saying nothing of those whom are circumcised just because--for health reasons, for example--as it likely wasn't an issue back then.

 

[Rõßεrt]

Why would you think I was Jewish?

Sorry, meant for the OP, his avatar and post appear Jewish but I hate to assume any mans religion based on appearances , rather I have to try their spirit

Bible Gateway passage: 1 John 4:1 - King James Version

Beloved, believe not every spirit, but try the spirits whether they are of God: because many false prophets are gone out into the world.

www.biblegateway.com

to discern if they are of God or not, often I'm let down.

This has nothing to do with anything that is being discussed.

I'm on a Christian forum and faith is excluded from context?

You realize your questioning me about the context of Paul's views in a thread about Torah?

Bible Gateway passage: Romans 1:1 - King James Version

Paul, a servant of Jesus Christ, called to be an apostle, separated unto the gospel of God,

www.biblegateway.com

Paul was all things to all men to try and save them,

Bible Gateway passage: 1 Corinthians 9:22 - King James Version

To the weak became I as weak, that I might gain the weak: I am made all things to all men, that I might by all means save some.

www.biblegateway.com

perhaps he was self righteous to the self righteous as well?

 

[for_his_glory]

Sorry, meant for the OP, his avatar and post appear Jewish but I hate to assume any mans religion based on appearances , rather I have to try their spirit

Never go by someones avatar as that is like judging a book by its cover.

 

[hawkman]

It was the Romans who took the teachings of Yeshua, and detached the Jewish Torah that they hated from his teachings, and established a new religion that became "catholicism", which then became "protestantism". These are false religions that discard the Torah of Moses.

This is a Violation of TOS 1.4
1.4: Do not misquote or misrepresent another member. Do not state a negative opinion about a member's denomination, leaders, founders, or the veracity of a member's faith. (Exodus 20:16)

 

[JT4444]

Mat 24:36 But of that day and hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels of heaven, but my Father only.
Mat 24:37 But as the days of Noe were, so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.
Mat 24:38 For as in the days that were before the flood they were eating and drinking, marrying and giving in marriage, until the day that Noe entered into the ark,
Mat 24:39 And knew not until the flood came, and took them all away; so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.

Jews have long believed that the Messiah must come by the year 6000 AM, but the exact date since Adam is disputed. Officially, this is the year 5764, but at least 165 years are missing from the Hebrew calendar.

The OP created his own timeline, and he believes the year 6000 is a few years from now (2026 AD I believe). We'll see if he gets the year right. As for the day and the hour, we already know he won't.

 

[YeshuaGlory]

Do not be deceived and confused, the Torah of Moses is for all humanity, not just for Israel. Do not murder and do not steal in the Torah is for all humanity, not just for Israel. The Torah was merely given to Israel to serve as an example to all nations of the earth, so that all humanity would also obey the Torah and govern themselves according to its laws. The Torah is a complete law given by God that establishes how an entire nation must be governed, and whoever breaks any of its commands deserves the death penalty. Yeshua taught obedience to the Torah, in the context of the belief in him. He never established some new religion that discarded that Jewish Torah that he himself also obeyed, even wearing the tzitzit that that Torah commands. It was the Romans who took the teachings of Yeshua, and detached the Jewish Torah that they hated from his teachings, and established a new religion that became "catholicism", which then became "protestantism". These are false religions that discard the Torah of Moses. This is why if you ask many christians and catholics about ordinary commands of the Torah, or even the feasts of the Torah, they are absolutely clueless. They foolishly think that the Torah is some old irrelevant law that is no longer needed to know and obey. And little do they know that Yeshua returns on this earth, in the year 6,000 from creation, according to the appointed times of the Torah and its calendar, to overthrow all the governments of the world, because none of them govern according to the Torah of God, and he will subject all humanity to his own government and will rule according to the laws in the Torah of Moses, for 1,000 literal years. He will descend with all his armies of angels, 400 million in number, and he will command them to capture all humanity to bring them to Israel, to judge every single human on the earth. He will appoint judges from those he saved and gave authority to rule with him, and all humanity will be judged in less than 5 months, according to the commands of the Torah of Moses. And most humanity will be condemned to be thrown over a lake of lava that will form on the southern side of Jerusalem, to be destroyed body and soul. They will have their existence completely taken from them with their last moments of existence in horror and agony, for not obeying the commands of God in the Torah. Only a small remnant from all humanity will be granted mercy and will remain alive. And they will multiply and become mighty nations, under the 1,000 year rulership of Yeshua. And whoever does not obey the Torah during that time will be judged and will be thrown over lava also. Even whoever merely direspects his brother and calls him a fool will be put to death over lava. And whoever commits any sin of sexual immorality will be put to death over lava also, without mercy. So he will rule the world with a rod of iron, according to the Torah of Moses. And because of this and the fear of all humanity to sin, the world will become righteous and full of the knowledge of God, in the final 1,000 years of this earth.

Your message will not find any, none, nada, support nor understanding around here. I once was a evangelical,, or lets say i frequented 30+ protestant evangelical churches back in 1977- 198-, I know their theology.
Christains are THe Body Of Christ, The Branch Grafted in the Vine, = They believe Paul says the jews got it all wrong, that the old judaism is not to be followed, the OLD testament is just that, Old , antique, out dated , and there is nothing there we should pay respects to., That Yeshua came to over turn and destoy the old testament, as He saud **I come to establsih a NEW and EVERLASTING testament** == Old is no good nothing good in it.
What Moses said/wrote is so soooo super ceded by Yeshua's NEW KIngdom Ministry,
Yeshua FULFILLED the scriptures = No room for anything of Moses.
THis is a few of the doctinres ((= Ideology) they are 100% convinced beyond any shadoiw ofa doybt.
= Good luck arguing against the biblical scholars ((= Knowitalls)
THus by rejecting Moses , throwing out the baby w the bath water and the entire bathtub to boot, they have gone completely astray,
And for this reason all the gifts((including the tongues they spreak, = no interpreter = tongues is near valueless) are not present, nor ever will be present until they understand what Moses wrote still stands for all time.

Did Moses not wrote **Obey your parents**
Yet Yeshua writes *** whoever loves m,other father more than me, is not fit for My Holy Work**
so who should we follow, Moses who says always respect parents
OR
Yeshua who says Love me more and resist your parents who hold you back from my Kingdom

???
I know the answer
But will not give it

 

[YeshuaGlory]

Hello ratoncillopaisa1986

Are you Jewish and trying to teach Noahide laws?

If so I'm interested in you bringing up


whom I believe you mean Jesus Christ of Nazareth?

interested as there seems to be no set rule for Jews that I can tell about discussing Jesus but I thought overall it was forbidden you read the New Testament which in part you quote



So again, are you Jewish?




He did obey them, it was required for Him to fulfill the law.



As I can see our old testament pretty much accurately reflects them, detached is technically true but surely not in such a manner that discards or obliterates form the record, we know what they are.



No, Protestants as the name indicates protest Catholics, Catholics are still Catholics, Protestants today seem quite ignorant of how their religion was formed or what it means to protest now or for eternity.

R.

Yeshua did NOT come to start a new religion called christianity, Read the history of christianity.
Yeshua completely rejected the jews structure which hijacked the wisdom of Moses.
The protestants are very confused about the jews/the bible/Moses/The New Testament. as the jews were led astray by their **experts** so also the gentiles have been bamboozled by the **seminarians** **the scholastics** hacking to pieces the meanings of the bible, HIDDEN

THe OP got it correct
Catholicism = Protestantism
As mother is to son.
Sure different sects, but basically exact same fundamentalism doctrines /dogmas
assembly is sunday NOT the jewish ssaturday
TRinty is real
etc etc etc.

 

[ratoncillopaisa1986]

Your message will not find any, none, nada, support nor understanding around here. I once was a evangelical,, or lets say i frequented 30+ protestant evangelical churches back in 1977- 198-, I know their theology.
Christains are THe Body Of Christ, The Branch Grafted in the Vine, = They believe Paul says the jews got it all wrong, that the old judaism is not to be followed, the OLD testament is just that, Old , antique, out dated , and there is nothing there we should pay respects to., That Yeshua came to over turn and destoy the old testament, as He saud **I come to establsih a NEW and EVERLASTING testament** == Old is no good nothing good in it.
What Moses said/wrote is so soooo super ceded by Yeshua's NEW KIngdom Ministry,
Yeshua FULFILLED the scriptures = No room for anything of Moses.
THis is a few of the doctinres ((= Ideology) they are 100% convinced beyond any shadoiw ofa doybt.
= Good luck arguing against the biblical scholars ((= Knowitalls)
THus by rejecting Moses , throwing out the baby w the bath water and the entire bathtub to boot, they have gone completely astray,
And for this reason all the gifts((including the tongues they spreak, = no interpreter = tongues is near valueless) are not present, nor ever will be present until they understand what Moses wrote still stands for all time.

Did Moses not wrote **Obey your parents**
Yet Yeshua writes *** whoever loves m,other father more than me, is not fit for My Holy Work**
so who should we follow, Moses who says always respect parents
OR
Yeshua who says Love me more and resist your parents who hold you back from my Kingdom

???
I know the answer
But will not give it

Arguing with these people is a waste of time. They refuse to understand that the Torah of Moses is till binding, because God has hardened their inner minds to reject to the truth in order to destroy them, because he did not choose them.

 

[Josef]

Do not be deceived and confused, the Torah of Moses is for all humanity, not just for Israel. Do not murder and do not steal in the Torah is for all humanity, not just for Israel. The Torah was merely given to Israel to serve as an example to all nations of the earth, so that all humanity would also obey the Torah and govern themselves according to its laws. The Torah is a complete law given by God that establishes how an entire nation must be governed, and whoever breaks any of its commands deserves the death penalty. Yeshua taught obedience to the Torah, in the context of the belief in him. He never established some new religion that discarded that Jewish Torah that he himself also obeyed, even wearing the tzitzit that that Torah commands. It was the Romans who took the teachings of Yeshua, and detached the Jewish Torah that they hated from his teachings, and established a new religion that became "catholicism", which then became "protestantism". These are false religions that discard the Torah of Moses. This is why if you ask many christians and catholics about ordinary commands of the Torah, or even the feasts of the Torah, they are absolutely clueless. They foolishly think that the Torah is some old irrelevant law that is no longer needed to know and obey. And little do they know that Yeshua returns on this earth, in the year 6,000 from creation, according to the appointed times of the Torah and its calendar, to overthrow all the governments of the world, because none of them govern according to the Torah of God, and he will subject all humanity to his own government and will rule according to the laws in the Torah of Moses, for 1,000 literal years. He will descend with all his armies of angels, 400 million in number, and he will command them to capture all humanity to bring them to Israel, to judge every single human on the earth. He will appoint judges from those he saved and gave authority to rule with him, and all humanity will be judged in less than 5 months, according to the commands of the Torah of Moses. And most humanity will be condemned to be thrown over a lake of lava that will form on the southern side of Jerusalem, to be destroyed body and soul. They will have their existence completely taken from them with their last moments of existence in horror and agony, for not obeying the commands of God in the Torah. Only a small remnant from all humanity will be granted mercy and will remain alive. And they will multiply and become mighty nations, under the 1,000 year rulership of Yeshua. And whoever does not obey the Torah during that time will be judged and will be thrown over lava also. Even whoever merely direspects his brother and calls him a fool will be put to death over lava. And whoever commits any sin of sexual immorality will be put to death over lava also, without mercy. So he will rule the world with a rod of iron, according to the Torah of Moses. And because of this and the fear of all humanity to sin, the world will become righteous and full of the knowledge of God, in the final 1,000 years of this earth.

Hey All,
So are you keeping the sacrifice as well?
I do not see sacrificial lambs being offered at Jewish temples.
Jesus made the Torah simple.
Love God with everything you got, and love each other the same as we love ourselves.
Keeping the Law should not be waved over people as a threat. It should be shown for the glorious opportunity it is. The Law is to be kept out of our love for God. And yeah we are not going to be perfect at it in this life. But God honors a sincere effort.
We are sinners, saved by grace, through faith, in Jesus.
We are trying to keep a perfect Law.
None of us can do it.
But we still try.
And we try again, and we try again, and we try again, and we don't stop, and we don't give up.
Cause love don't quit!

Keep walking everybody.
May God bless,
Taz

 

[Rõßεrt]

Arguing with these people is a waste of time. They refuse to understand that the Torah of Moses is till binding, because God has hardened their inner minds to reject to the truth in order to destroy them, because he did not choose them.

You did not directly answer my question

Are you Jewish and trying to teach Noahide laws?

But that response seems to be a stereotypical Jewish response

Bible Gateway passage: Romans 10:19 - King James Version

But I say, Did not Israel know? First Moses saith, I will provoke you to jealousy by them that are no people, and by a foolish nation I will anger you.

www.biblegateway.com

But I don't come to argue, but to enlighten, myself and others God willing

Question, if you'll accommodate, will the law (Torah) ever be fulfilled to your understanding?

 

[Rõßεrt]

Yeshua did NOT come to start a new religion

No, only to save the lost, agree?

Yeshua completely rejected the jews structure which hijacked the wisdom of Moses.

You make tough arguments

Bible Gateway passage: Luke 11:52 - King James Version

Woe unto you, lawyers! for ye have taken away the key of knowledge: ye entered not in yourselves, and them that were entering in ye hindered.

www.biblegateway.com

Catholicism = Protestantism
As mother is to son.
Sure different sects, but basically exact same fundamentalism doctrines /dogmas
assembly is sunday NOT the jewish ssaturday

Sounds SDA, is that the movement you adhere to?