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Should a BISHOP/ ELDER / PASTOR be married?
God's word says it is required to be married, What say you?
God's word says it is required to be married, What say you?
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Monkey Del said:Should a BISHOP/ ELDER / PASTOR be married?
God's word says it is required to be married, What say you?
Gary_Bee said:There is no Scriptural requirement for a minister or priest to be unmarried. Again, that is only Roman Catholic "Church" dogma with no Scriptural basis.
If they allowed married priests (which is Scriptural), we probably would not have as many Roman Catholic child molesting cases!
1This is a faithful saying: If a man desires the position of a bishop, he desires a good work. 2A bishop then must be blameless, the husband of one wife, temperate, sober-minded, of good behavior, hospitable, able to teach; 3not given to wine, not violent, not greedy for money, but gentle, not quarrelsome, not covetous; 4one who rules his own house well, having his children in submission with all reverence 5(for if a man does not know how to rule his own house, how will he take care of the church of God?); 6not a novice, lest being puffed up with pride he fall into the same condemnation as the devil. 7Moreover he must have a good testimony among those who are outside, lest he fall into reproach and the snare of the devil.
8Likewise deacons must be reverent, not double-tongued, not given to much wine, not greedy for money, 9holding the mystery of the faith with a pure conscience. 10But let these also first be tested; then let them serve as deacons, being found blameless. 11Likewise, their wives must be reverent, not slanderers, temperate, faithful in all things. 12Let deacons be the husbands of one wife, ruling their children and their own houses well. 13For those who have served well as deacons obtain for themselves a good standing and great boldness in the faith which is in Christ Jesus. (1 Tim 3:1-13)
5For this reason I left you in Crete, that you should set in order the things that are lacking, and appoint elders in every city as I commanded youâ€â€6if a man is blameless, the husband of one wife, having faithful children not accused of dissipation or insubordination. 7For a bishop must be blameless, as a steward of God, not self-willed, not quick-tempered, not given to wine, not violent, not greedy for money, 8but hospitable, a lover of what is good, sober-minded, just, holy, self-controlled, 9holding fast the faithful word as he has been taught, that he may be able, by sound doctrine, both to exhort and convict those who contradict. (Titus 1:5-9)
Bill, just because you think the pope and the RCC has authority doesn't make it so.That is what is called AUTHORITY, Gary!
Gary_Bee said:Bill, then why don't you try explain why there are so many homosexual Roman Catholic priests and why there are so many child molestation cases against Roman Catholic priests?
evanman said:If a person is married paul is stating that they should have only ONE wife--in other words NOT be poligamous!
If marriage was the requirement the scripture would have stated "must be married", it does not.
In the time when this was written Poligamy was common both amongst Jews and Non-Jews, this disqualified a man from being an elder in the church, it did not disqualify him from being a Christian!
Poligamous men were not required to divorce wives in order to become followers of Jesus. This I write concerning those that become Christians not those that already are Christians! I do not believe that followers of Jesus should take multiple wives!
We agree here! I certainly does not say that, especially in the face that we know Paul was (gasp!) unmarried!
Rebecka said:Bill, just because you think the pope and the RCC has authority doesn't make it so.That is what is called AUTHORITY, Gary!
If the RCC did have authority, that authority would manifest itself because a city that is set on a hill cannot be hid.
Rebecka said:Revelation 13:1 "And I stood upon the sand of the sea, and saw a great beast rise up out of the sea having seven heads and ten horns..." which is the beast who was given autority by the dragon.
Now Jesus spoke with authority and they knew it.
The mans sick of the palsy was told by Jesus, "Son, your sins be forgiven you. Take up your bed and go home."
They said who can forgive sins but God alone, but the Lord was letting them know that forgiving sins andhealing the man sick of the palsy were the same for him because he had AUTHORITY, and not authority in any vatican, but AUTHORITYper se.
His authority manifested itself in that case of the man sick of the palsy.
He asked something the pope can never ask anyone;
"Whether is it easier to say? Your sins be forgiven you, OR take up your bed and walk?"
For Jesus it was simply a matter of saying it because by his word, he cast out devils and healed sick folks and forgave sins.
WHY Bill? Because he had AUTHORITY ......PER SE
The pope's authority is limited to the RCC, but carries no weight with anyone else.
Nowhere in the earth does the pope have any authority. The words he speaks are taken seriously only by catholics.
"William Putnam" In the Western/Latin/Roman Rite, a priest be unmarried, period, a canon law imposed many centuries ago, to the advantage of the Church in her evangelization of the whole world!
Sower said:"William Putnam" In the Western/Latin/Roman Rite, a priest be unmarried, period, a canon law imposed many centuries ago, to the advantage of the Church in her evangelization of the whole world!
And to the disadvantage of the victims of pedophilic and lecherous priests would be more honest!
"NOW THE SPIRIT SPEAKETH EXPRESSLY, THAT IN THE LATTER TIMES, SOME SHALL DEPART FROM THE FAITH, GIVING HEED TO SEDUCING SPIRITS, AND DOCTRINES OF DEVILS; SPEAKING LIES IN HYPOCRISY; HAVING THEIR CONSCIENCE SEARED WITH A HOT IRON: FORBIDDING TO MARRY, AND COMMANDING TO ABSTAIN FROM MEATS..." (1 Tim. 4:1-3).
May 2003: The (Roman Catholic) Church is fully supportive of the rights of victims to report and prosecute criminal actions. Nevertheless the (Roman Catholic) Church has a moral obligation to do what it can to protect all victims, and especially victims of misconduct by (Roman Catholic) Church personnel, to prevent repetition of misconduct and to ensure internal standards of moral and professional behaviour among its priests. To this end, and whether a victim lays a charge or not, or whether the case is brought to court or not, or whether the accused is found guilty or not, the (Roman Catholic) Church will pursue the matter at an administrative level in accordance with moral imperatives and in terms of its own laws. The process is one of assessment and good ordering of the (Roman Catholic) Church. The process does not usurp the rights of the criminal law courts.
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fatneckboy said:WHY IS IT , WHEN A PERSON YOU CALL BISHOP, IN YOUR CHURCH, COMMITS THIS ACT AND THE CHURCH HAS KNOWN ABOUT IT, " ITS AN ERROR"?
1Cr 7:2 Nevertheless, [to avoid] fornication, let every man have his own wife, and let every woman have her own husband.
this is why it is rampant in your church bill.!!!!!!!!