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Do you think the end is near or that the end of an age near?
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Imagican
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It's not just a matter of 'thinking', we have prophecy that is 99 percent complete, (if you believe what is written).
Israel has become a nation. Everyone has potentially been given the chance to HEAR The Word. Father is rising against son and mother against daughter. How much WORSE would one 'expect' God to allow things to RE GRESS? He has already destroyed a people that COULDN'T have been ANY MORE evil than those that exist today. The major 'players' are in place.
I believe that there are still a 'few' righteous people left that God will NOT destroy. But once these have passed, we're ready for the 'big one'.
Personal observations of course. But YES, I certainly believe that we are CLOSE to the end of what we know as the earth and it's 'order' today. How close? Well, even if we were a hundred years away, WE ARE CLOSE, (in the scope of 'time').
MEC
Israel has become a nation. Everyone has potentially been given the chance to HEAR The Word. Father is rising against son and mother against daughter. How much WORSE would one 'expect' God to allow things to RE GRESS? He has already destroyed a people that COULDN'T have been ANY MORE evil than those that exist today. The major 'players' are in place.
I believe that there are still a 'few' righteous people left that God will NOT destroy. But once these have passed, we're ready for the 'big one'.
Personal observations of course. But YES, I certainly believe that we are CLOSE to the end of what we know as the earth and it's 'order' today. How close? Well, even if we were a hundred years away, WE ARE CLOSE, (in the scope of 'time').
MEC
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rdclmn7
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There are plenty of references to the last days.
There are plenty of verses that are taken to mean the current conditions.
While these same verses are believed to indicate that we are in the end-times, the existence of pre-, mid-, and post millenial intrepretations of the rapture tells you that there is something wrong.
1948 is a case where almost everyone in the evangelical community believed that the rapture would happen in 1988, the generation that wouldn't pass...
According to the bible, we are living in the time of the gentiles which started as of the fall of Jerusalem.
The name itself places Israel as a non-player on the global stage for much of the last 2,000 years.
The exeptions would be;
1. the messianic movement in its migrations.
2. the pilgrimages to the holy land.
3. the crusades.
4. the expansion of Islam that lasted until the end of the fifteenth century and the creation of the modern state of Israel which resulted in the resettlement of many thousands of palestinians.
The creation of the modern state of Israel is taken to be a fulfillment and as the start of the end-times.
The belief is based on IS 11 where it states that they would return.
A case of tunnel-vision, IS 11 also describes the return of the nations.
Both Genesis 10 and the last chapters of Jeremiah describe nations that were both close to the promised land and were to be part of the end-times scenario.
You can argue that we are at least one step closer, yet the ideological doorway has been opened and little more.
The mechanism that we now know as the right to self-determination wasn't described when the United Nations voted in favor of the new state.
What they are doing is to follow precedent.
It can be seen in the creation of many smaller nations, a historic process that reverses what made the many large european nations possible over the last 500+ years.
Israel came into being.
Askenazis returned.
Sephardis returned.
Falashas returned.
The Lemba tribe from Southern Africa had an unconfirmed oral tradition until Senna was rediscovered in Yemen, their identification as Jews was obtained through their DNA.
The same process will be applied to other ethnic groups resulting in the identification of those of the ten lost tribes over the near future.
Other groups;
Gypsys
Kurds
Armenians
Recent examples;
The United Nations.
The Cold War.
The disolution of the USSR.
The dissolution of the Warsaw Pact.
The genocide in the Balkans.
The identification of the world as a community, globalization, regional economic entities, the collective progress in social legislation.
If you were to take into account the scriptural basis for what many protestant groups believe, you could home in to where it states that the church will be taken up when the last trumpet sounds.
Almost all groups believe that it is the last of seven trumpets, placing the church within Revelations.
It doesn't state that it will be the last of seven...
If you follow the text that deals with the use of trumpets, NU 10, you can see that the law requires the use of just two.
One calls, the other confirms, just like prophecy.
The use of just two trumpets allows for the rapture before Revelations, the texts within MT 24-25 can be interpretated literally, and the 144,000 from Revelations can now be interpreted literally as hebrews.
This is one interpretation that few will ever agree with, its a situation where the legality of scripture is now in question, either you follow the law, or you ignore it in favor of our current interpretations.
While 1948 and 1991 can be quoted as the fulfillment of end-times prophecy, these two dates are but the start of a process that can take hundreds of years, it an open-ended scenario that does not lend to speculation, there is no verse or intent by God to set a date.
Both the old and new testament mention first, at a time known only to the Lord, second, it is not given unto us to know...but by only the Father.
There are plenty of verses that are taken to mean the current conditions.
While these same verses are believed to indicate that we are in the end-times, the existence of pre-, mid-, and post millenial intrepretations of the rapture tells you that there is something wrong.
1948 is a case where almost everyone in the evangelical community believed that the rapture would happen in 1988, the generation that wouldn't pass...
According to the bible, we are living in the time of the gentiles which started as of the fall of Jerusalem.
The name itself places Israel as a non-player on the global stage for much of the last 2,000 years.
The exeptions would be;
1. the messianic movement in its migrations.
2. the pilgrimages to the holy land.
3. the crusades.
4. the expansion of Islam that lasted until the end of the fifteenth century and the creation of the modern state of Israel which resulted in the resettlement of many thousands of palestinians.
The creation of the modern state of Israel is taken to be a fulfillment and as the start of the end-times.
The belief is based on IS 11 where it states that they would return.
A case of tunnel-vision, IS 11 also describes the return of the nations.
Both Genesis 10 and the last chapters of Jeremiah describe nations that were both close to the promised land and were to be part of the end-times scenario.
You can argue that we are at least one step closer, yet the ideological doorway has been opened and little more.
The mechanism that we now know as the right to self-determination wasn't described when the United Nations voted in favor of the new state.
What they are doing is to follow precedent.
It can be seen in the creation of many smaller nations, a historic process that reverses what made the many large european nations possible over the last 500+ years.
Israel came into being.
Askenazis returned.
Sephardis returned.
Falashas returned.
The Lemba tribe from Southern Africa had an unconfirmed oral tradition until Senna was rediscovered in Yemen, their identification as Jews was obtained through their DNA.
The same process will be applied to other ethnic groups resulting in the identification of those of the ten lost tribes over the near future.
Other groups;
Gypsys
Kurds
Armenians
Recent examples;
The United Nations.
The Cold War.
The disolution of the USSR.
The dissolution of the Warsaw Pact.
The genocide in the Balkans.
The identification of the world as a community, globalization, regional economic entities, the collective progress in social legislation.
If you were to take into account the scriptural basis for what many protestant groups believe, you could home in to where it states that the church will be taken up when the last trumpet sounds.
Almost all groups believe that it is the last of seven trumpets, placing the church within Revelations.
It doesn't state that it will be the last of seven...
If you follow the text that deals with the use of trumpets, NU 10, you can see that the law requires the use of just two.
One calls, the other confirms, just like prophecy.
The use of just two trumpets allows for the rapture before Revelations, the texts within MT 24-25 can be interpretated literally, and the 144,000 from Revelations can now be interpreted literally as hebrews.
This is one interpretation that few will ever agree with, its a situation where the legality of scripture is now in question, either you follow the law, or you ignore it in favor of our current interpretations.
While 1948 and 1991 can be quoted as the fulfillment of end-times prophecy, these two dates are but the start of a process that can take hundreds of years, it an open-ended scenario that does not lend to speculation, there is no verse or intent by God to set a date.
Both the old and new testament mention first, at a time known only to the Lord, second, it is not given unto us to know...but by only the Father.
biblecatholic said:
MY COMMENTS: "The end of the age" near, I can understand. When you say "the end is near", are you saying something different?
I'll let you answer that on you own.
When you say "near", just how close do you mean? Five years? Ten years? Twenty years? One hundred years?
Let's look at the "end of the age." "Age" is translated from the Greek word, "aion", which generally means a time period of unknown length, and is used for a man's life, a season, an era, a major division of God's administration, etc. But this is not the question.
I believe the end of the age will be the end of the tribulation, when Christ returns in power and great glory to the earth, to destroy the armies marching against Jerusalem, and to rescue the believing remnant of Israel, and to establish His kingdom.
Since the tribulation is seven years long, and, IMO, we are not in the tribulation now, we have at least those years before the end of the age.
Personally, I can see many years must go by to prepare the nations of the world for a one-world ruler. But, only God can know.
freeway
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I think the end is closer than we think. 5 10 15 20 years who know for sure. but its fun and interesting, intertaining to talk about it. sure no one knows the day or the hour, as Jesus has said, but he also said you "can know" the season. so with that I believe we are in the season. How long is that season, that anyone guess. but fun. looking at prophecy and the way the world is lining up with prophecy...ummm