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Falling Away - Departure: same definition
Below find : 4 Bible translations pre 1611 KJV that ALL say departure not falling away.
A falling away/departure from what? The Christian faith or any particular place, earth?)
KJV Dictionary Definition: DEPARTURE, n.
1. The act of going away; a moving from or leaving a place; as a departure from London.
2. Death; decease; removal from the present life.
The time of my departure is at hand. 2 Tim. 4.
(MY QUESTION: Departing from the faith? Nope!)
(NOTE: act of going away, leaving a place, removal from the present life. Nothing about apostasy mentioned in KJ Bible Dictionary Definition for departure
1599 Geneva Bible
2 Thessalonians 2:
1 Now we beseech you, brethren, by the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ, and by our assembling unto him,
(NOTE: Assembling/gathering together UNTO him/Christ. The catching-up in 1 Thes 4:16-17 is the biggest single gathering at/to that point in time/history)
2 That ye be not suddenly moved from your mind, nor troubled neither by spirit, nor by word, nor by letter, as it were from us, as though the day of Christ were at hand.
(NOTE: John 14:1-3 Jesus while explaing His coming for the Church says be not troubled. Secondly the day of Christ or the Day of the Lord lasts 1000 yrs See 2 Pet 3:8 & Ps 90:4. Begings with the 70th week of Daniel, 7 years of tribulation. 1 Thess 4:16 & these 1st 7 verses in 2 Thes 2 teach the departure/catching-up/rapture must come before the man of sin is revealed & the tribulation begins)
3 Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a departing first, and that man of sin be disclosed, even the son of perdition.
(NOTE: I've posted here 4 Bibles written before 1611 KJV. They all say a departure (catching-up = rapture) comes first. Then the man of sin will be revealed)
4 Which is an adversary, and exalteth himself against all that is called God, or that is worshipped: so that he doth sit as God in the Temple of God, showing himself that he is God.
(NOTE: The revealing of the man of sin will happen after the Churches departure)
5 Remember ye not, that when I was yet with you, I told you these things?
(NOTE: Again read John 14:1-3)
6 And now ye know what withholdeth, that he might be revealed in his time.
(NOTE: The Holy Spirit of God is the only Person with the supernatural power/authority to do this restraining)
7 For the mystery of iniquity doth already work: only he which now withholdeth, shall let till he be taken out of the way.
(NOTE: It's the Holy Spirit Who lives/dwells within each believer that is withholding/restraining the son of perdition/man of sins arrival. When Christ's Holy Spirit filled Body of Christ/Church departs/is caught-up/raptured. Then no restraints for sin remain. The man of sin will simultaneously be cast out of heaven Rev 12:7 and hurled to earth)
Genesis 6:3 (A) The LORD said, My spirit shall not always strive with man, for that he also is flesh:
Find 3 more pre 1611 Bible translations stating departure. No falling away/apostasy mentioned
1526 Tyndale Bible
2 Thessalonians 2:3 (B) ""the lorde commeth not excepte ther come a departynge fyrst"" and that that synfnll man be opened ye sonne of perdicion
1537 Matthews Bible
2 Thessalonians 2:3 (B) ""the Lord cometh not/except ther come a departure"" that the sinfull man opened/the son of perdition
Miles Coverdale Bible (1535)
2 Thes 2:3 Let noman disceaue you by eny meanes. For the LORD commeth not, ""except the departynge come 1st"" and that that Man of synne be opened, euen the sonne of perdicion,
1540 The Great Bible
2 Thessalonians 2:3 (B) ""the lord comes not except a departure first"", and the sinfull man be showed, son of perdition,
Final thought:
Find supporting scripture on Gods people (Body of Christ/Church) escaping wrath:
We see here the church escaping the wrath of the great tribulation soon to be poured out
1 Thes 1:10, And to wait for his Son from heaven, whom he raised from the dead, even ""Jesus, which delivered us from the wrath to come""
Rom 5:9 being now justified by his blood ""we shall be saved from wrath"" through him
1 thes 5:9 ""God hath not appointed us to wrath"" but to obtain salvation by our Lord Jesus Christ
More Examples:
The angels couldn’t destroy Sodom and Gomorrah until Lot and his family were clear
Noah and his family were delivered from wrath before the flood came
The great tribulation to come is called the time of Jacobs/Israels trouble Jer 30:7.
Isa 26:20 Come, my people, enter thou into thy chambers (the Church is the Bride of Christ), and shut thy doors about thee & hide thyself as it were for a little moment, ""until the wrath be past"".
(NOTE: Believers go to The New Jerusalem Revelation 21. The place Jesus goes to prepare for us in (John 14:3)
The NT Body of Christ/Church departs meeting the LORD in the air = is caught-up/raptured & delivered for the coming wrath. The man of sin is then revealed, and the coming wrath for a rebellious, Christ rejecting, unbelieving world will begin.
Below find : 4 Bible translations pre 1611 KJV that ALL say departure not falling away.
A falling away/departure from what? The Christian faith or any particular place, earth?)
KJV Dictionary Definition: DEPARTURE, n.
1. The act of going away; a moving from or leaving a place; as a departure from London.
2. Death; decease; removal from the present life.
The time of my departure is at hand. 2 Tim. 4.
(MY QUESTION: Departing from the faith? Nope!)
(NOTE: act of going away, leaving a place, removal from the present life. Nothing about apostasy mentioned in KJ Bible Dictionary Definition for departure
1599 Geneva Bible
2 Thessalonians 2:
1 Now we beseech you, brethren, by the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ, and by our assembling unto him,
(NOTE: Assembling/gathering together UNTO him/Christ. The catching-up in 1 Thes 4:16-17 is the biggest single gathering at/to that point in time/history)
2 That ye be not suddenly moved from your mind, nor troubled neither by spirit, nor by word, nor by letter, as it were from us, as though the day of Christ were at hand.
(NOTE: John 14:1-3 Jesus while explaing His coming for the Church says be not troubled. Secondly the day of Christ or the Day of the Lord lasts 1000 yrs See 2 Pet 3:8 & Ps 90:4. Begings with the 70th week of Daniel, 7 years of tribulation. 1 Thess 4:16 & these 1st 7 verses in 2 Thes 2 teach the departure/catching-up/rapture must come before the man of sin is revealed & the tribulation begins)
3 Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a departing first, and that man of sin be disclosed, even the son of perdition.
(NOTE: I've posted here 4 Bibles written before 1611 KJV. They all say a departure (catching-up = rapture) comes first. Then the man of sin will be revealed)
4 Which is an adversary, and exalteth himself against all that is called God, or that is worshipped: so that he doth sit as God in the Temple of God, showing himself that he is God.
(NOTE: The revealing of the man of sin will happen after the Churches departure)
5 Remember ye not, that when I was yet with you, I told you these things?
(NOTE: Again read John 14:1-3)
6 And now ye know what withholdeth, that he might be revealed in his time.
(NOTE: The Holy Spirit of God is the only Person with the supernatural power/authority to do this restraining)
7 For the mystery of iniquity doth already work: only he which now withholdeth, shall let till he be taken out of the way.
(NOTE: It's the Holy Spirit Who lives/dwells within each believer that is withholding/restraining the son of perdition/man of sins arrival. When Christ's Holy Spirit filled Body of Christ/Church departs/is caught-up/raptured. Then no restraints for sin remain. The man of sin will simultaneously be cast out of heaven Rev 12:7 and hurled to earth)
Genesis 6:3 (A) The LORD said, My spirit shall not always strive with man, for that he also is flesh:
Find 3 more pre 1611 Bible translations stating departure. No falling away/apostasy mentioned
1526 Tyndale Bible
2 Thessalonians 2:3 (B) ""the lorde commeth not excepte ther come a departynge fyrst"" and that that synfnll man be opened ye sonne of perdicion
1537 Matthews Bible
2 Thessalonians 2:3 (B) ""the Lord cometh not/except ther come a departure"" that the sinfull man opened/the son of perdition
Miles Coverdale Bible (1535)
2 Thes 2:3 Let noman disceaue you by eny meanes. For the LORD commeth not, ""except the departynge come 1st"" and that that Man of synne be opened, euen the sonne of perdicion,
1540 The Great Bible
2 Thessalonians 2:3 (B) ""the lord comes not except a departure first"", and the sinfull man be showed, son of perdition,
Final thought:
Find supporting scripture on Gods people (Body of Christ/Church) escaping wrath:
We see here the church escaping the wrath of the great tribulation soon to be poured out
1 Thes 1:10, And to wait for his Son from heaven, whom he raised from the dead, even ""Jesus, which delivered us from the wrath to come""
Rom 5:9 being now justified by his blood ""we shall be saved from wrath"" through him
1 thes 5:9 ""God hath not appointed us to wrath"" but to obtain salvation by our Lord Jesus Christ
More Examples:
The angels couldn’t destroy Sodom and Gomorrah until Lot and his family were clear
Noah and his family were delivered from wrath before the flood came
The great tribulation to come is called the time of Jacobs/Israels trouble Jer 30:7.
Isa 26:20 Come, my people, enter thou into thy chambers (the Church is the Bride of Christ), and shut thy doors about thee & hide thyself as it were for a little moment, ""until the wrath be past"".
(NOTE: Believers go to The New Jerusalem Revelation 21. The place Jesus goes to prepare for us in (John 14:3)
The NT Body of Christ/Church departs meeting the LORD in the air = is caught-up/raptured & delivered for the coming wrath. The man of sin is then revealed, and the coming wrath for a rebellious, Christ rejecting, unbelieving world will begin.