No Need to Look for a Temple- It is Already There!

[Orates]

The Real Prophecy of the Temple

One of the biggest deceptions in the end times will be the insistence that the Jewish Temple will have to be rebuilt before Jesus returns. Many Christians will say in that day, “This can’t be Daniel’s 7th week because the Temple hasn’t been rebuilt.†But the Jews will carry out their animal sacrifices secretly from the world (including animal rights activists) in the original location of the Holy of Holies- directly beneath centuries of rubble right under the Arab occupied Dome of the Rock.
Hal Lindsey reported in one of his books that he took a tour of the excavated tunnels on the Temple Mount and saw a sign pointing to the location of the Holy of Holies. The passage had been sealed off to tourists, but excavations were continuing beyond the view of the public. In the 90’s protests broke out when a new tunnel was opened under the Temple Mount, which almost provoked the Palestinians to rebellion because it was near their holy site.

I’ve heard some people say that the Muslim Dome of the Rock will be destroyed before a Jewish Temple can be rebuilt. Let me make this plain- every Muslim in the world will rise up as one if this were to ever happen (protests over cartoons will seem tame in comparison). The only way the Jewish system of sacrifices can be reinstated is if the original chamber of the Holy of Holies, which now lies under the Dome of the Rock, is used. The Antichrist will one day take over this Sanctuary Fortress for his base in the Mid-Week Mid East war. It will be the safest place on earth- directly underneath the Dome of the Rock- Holy ground to both Jew and Arab. We will never see a new Jewish Temple rebuilt to fulfill the prophecies of Daniel’s 70th Week. The only sign we will see, that Daniel’s 70th week has begun, is the final signing of a 7 year interim peace treaty between Israel and the Arabs. The last 7 years of Daniel’s 70th Week is not the Tribulation. Tribulation or the period of persecution happens after Mid-Week when Christians are persecuted for not taking the Mark of the Anti-Christ. The first 3 ½ years of Daniel’s 70th Week is actually a period of peace and prosperity. Therefore, if you are really a Pre-Trib Rapturist, then you are actually a Mid-Tribber because Tribulation doesn’t start till after Mid-Week. The big confusion among Christians is not knowing the difference between the Tribulation or persecution of Christians and the Wrath of God on unbelievers, which happens at the end of the 7 years.

Orates 2006

 

[Orates]

Temple Update

I saw two articles on the web that may be of interest...

C:\Documents and Settings\hp owner\My Documents\Rabbis aim to renew animal sacrifices Jerusalem Post.htm

Rabbis aim to renew animal sacrifices
By ASSOCIATED PRESS

A fringe group of extremist rabbis wants to resume the biblical practice of animal sacrifice at Jerusalem's Temple Mount, members said Wednesday, defying centuries of religious bans and triggering a stiff protest from a Muslim leader.

The group, called the "Re-established Sanhedrin" after the Temple-era religious high court, has decided to buy some sheep and try to find one that is ritually perfect for sacrifice, with an eye toward resuming the practice.

Steinsaltz addresses event for revived Sanhedrin
"Regrettably, there are many extremist Israeli groups who want to carry out their plans," said Jerusalem's senior Islamic cleric, Mohammed Hussein. "Let them say what they want, Al Aksa is a Muslim mosque."

The 71 members of the "Re-established Sanhedrin" say they want to begin sacrificing animals again, despite the absence of the Temple, the ritual altar and all the required implements listed in the Bible. Rabbi Dov Stein of the group admitted that it won't be any time soon.

"We want to do the sacrifice, but we have political problems," Stein said. "We hope there will come a time when the government will agree. We will push for that to happen."

Other rabbis point out that ritual animal sacrifice has been banned since the destruction of the Second Temple in A.D. 70.

"Around that time, animal sacrifice, as a mode of religious worship, stopped for Jews, Christians and Muslims," said Rabbi Doniel Hartman of the Shalom Hartman Institute in Jerusalem. "Moving back in that direction is not progress."



C:\Documents and Settings\hp owner\My Documents\Archeologist Ancient cistern proves location of Second Temple Jerusalem Post.htm

Archeologist: Ancient cistern proves location of Second Temple
By ETGAR LEFKOVITS


An Israeli archeologist said Wednesday that he has pinpointed the exact location of the Second Jewish Temple on the Temple Mount.

The site identified by Hebrew University archeologist Prof. Joseph Patrich, based on the study of a large underground cistern on the Temple Mount and passages from the Mishna, places the Temple and its corresponding courtyards, chambers and gates in a more southeasterly and diagonal frame of reference compared to previous studies.

Patrich based his research, which is about to be published, on a study of a large underground cistern on the Temple Mount that was mapped by British engineer Sir Charles Wilson in 1866 on behalf of the Palestine Exploration Fund, along with passages from the Mishna.

The giant cistern, 4.5 meters wide and 54 meters long, lay near the southeastern corner of the upper platform of the Temple Mount. Examining the location and configuration of the cistern together with descriptions of the daily rite in the Temple and its surroundings found in the Mishna, Patrich said that this cistern is the only one found on the Temple Mount that can tie in with the ancient rabbinic text describing elements involved in the daily purification and sacrificial duties carried out by the priests on the altar in the Temple courtyard.

On this basis, he says, one can reconstruct the placement of a large basin that was used by the priests for their ritual washing, with the water being drawn by a waterwheel mechanism from the cistern.

After this purification, the priests ascended the nearby ramp to the sacrificial altar.

By thus locating the laver, the water wheel, the ramp and the altar, one can then finally map, again in coordination with the Mishna, the alignment of the Temple itself and its gates and chambers, he said.

These considerations led Patrich to place the Second Temple further to the east and south than earlier thought, and at a southeasterly angle relative to the eastern wall of the Temple Mount, and not perpendicular to it, as earlier assumed.

Patrich said that his research indicates that the rock over which the Dome of the Rock was built in the 7th century CE is actually outside the confines of the Temple.

The rock is believed to be the place at which the binding of Isaac took place, while Muslims consider it to be the spot from which Muhammad ascended to heaven.

The Temple Mount is Judaism's holiest site as the ancient compound where the two Jewish Temples stood, and is Islam's third holiest site after Mecca and Medina.

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[Vic C.]

Hi Orates,

First I'd like to say, you can't link to documents on yor personal PC, it just won't work unless your PC is a web server on the internet.

Secondly, let them try to rebuld a Temple that is no longer needed because... it has already been built, so to speak.

John 2:19 Jesus answered and said unto them, Destroy this temple, and in three days I will raise it up.
John 2:20 Then said the Jews, Forty and six years was this temple in building, and wilt thou rear it up in three days?
John 2:21 But he spake of the temple of his body.

Jesus is the Temple and since we are the "Body if Christ", that in effect, makes us the Temple.

1 Cor 3:16 Know ye not that ye are the temple of God, and that the Spirit of God dwelleth in you?
1 Cor 3:17 If any man defile the temple of God, him shall God destroy; for the temple of God is holy, which temple ye are.

 

[lecoop]

Hi Orates,

First I'd like to say, you can't link to documents on yor personal PC, it just won't work unless your PC is a web server on the internet.

Secondly, let them try to rebuld a Temple that is no longer needed because... it has already been built, so to speak.

John 2:19 Jesus answered and said unto them, Destroy this temple, and in three days I will raise it up.
John 2:20 Then said the Jews, Forty and six years was this temple in building, and wilt thou rear it up in three days?
John 2:21 But he spake of the temple of his body.

Jesus is the Temple and since we are the "Body if Christ", that in effect, makes us the Temple.

1 Cor 3:16 Know ye not that ye are the temple of God, and that the Spirit of God dwelleth in you?
1 Cor 3:17 If any man defile the temple of God, him shall God destroy; for the temple of God is holy, which temple ye are.

Vic, have you tried to explain this to those Jews in Israel, that are working furiously these days, to get the new temple built, and resume sacrifices?

Coop

 

[Vic C.]

Vic, have you tried to explain this to those Jews in Israel, that are working furiously these days, to get the new temple built, and resume sacrifices?

Coop

:-D They don't believe Jesus was/is Messiah. Of course they will try to rebuilt their Temple if the opportunity arises. We are in the New Covenant Age... no physical Temple is needed.

 

[lecoop]

:-D They don't believe Jesus was/is Messiah. Of course they will try to rebuilt their Temple if the opportunity arises. We are in the New Covenant Age... no physical Temple is needed.

You are right, no temple needed - for us! But it most certainly will be needed to keep God from being wrong - which He never is! John was/will be sent to measure a temple that most certainly will be a physical temple, around the midpoint of the still future 70th week. There will be Jewish men worshipping there at the time John is sent to measure it.

(This is assuming that this part of the vision John saw will play out just like the rest of the vision. It seems very likely that just before the midpoint of the week, John will be told to go and measure the temple; else he would have written that he saw an angel, or someone else do it.)

One more point, edited in: John chapter one most certainly took place way back around 95 AD (or before 70 AD if you are a preterist). Revelation chapter 22 is long into our future. Agreed so far? Therefore, somewhere between chapter one and chapter 22, is where we are now. We are waiting for the next event in John's chronology to take place. I believe that the "crossover" point (History to future) is between the 5th and 6th seal. When that 6th seal is broken, we are taken out, and the day of the Lord, and 70th week will start immediately: for us, salvation, and for them, sudden destruction.

Coop