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Tim Staples of Catholic Answers does a far better job of answering your question on Purgatory. Tim is an ex Protestant who saw the light and signed up with the Cathoholics.
 
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Pipiripi said:
Okay, take a look at Revelation 12:17 and Revelation 14:12. Is it command or Commandments?
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Shure Piri. I was really just picking a little bit. Doesn't really matter if we say either one. Both is right I believe.
Because the one commandment fulfilled all the commandments of the old testament.
Love is one! And this commandment fulfilled all the commandments of the law. There are many..
God bless!
 
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Pipiripi said:
Hi. Link
I understand this teaching of fulfillment of the Commandments. But in reality it isn't just I know it, because it is written in my heart or it is upon Jesus on the cross. Just like you see it is about to keep it. Many Christians don't know that the Sabbath is a day. It is the 7th day of creation. And it is written what to do on this special day. Why God said to: "REMEMBER"? Do you know why? Let me know okay. Bless
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Not Shure what you are referring to. To be honest..
 
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It's too bad I was out of town for the last few days. I see people have forgotten which forum this is and what the rules are. Please address the OP's (dashboardchic19) questions and avoid debating. It is confusing enough without the added debates.

To dashboardchic19, as you have seen, even Christians can struggle with questions and have different interpretations of Scripture for we all fall short of the glory of God. But, one thing we have that you may not understand yet is the hope and/or assurance of Salvation that comes through trust and faith in Jesus Christ. For it is in Him that we can be saved and Him alone.
 
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humble soul said:
I've heard this claim more than once on here. Yet many sola scriptura perspectives are indeed man made. Your interpretation of scripture is man made.
You think you are quoting God directly every time you quote scripture?
After translations from another language. Contexts of what the culture was like in those countries 2000 years ago.
So many interpretations. 1000s of denominations. Look at all the arguing that goes on here. And that is just among sola scriptura members.
And then there is the varied Bible commentaries. Everyone is an amateur theologian. I prefer to read the professional theologians.
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if i use scripture that says the exact truth word for word .its not man interpretation the term purgatory is not found in scripture. i challenged you to study out justification/ justified sanctify read 1 john 1:9 and read 1 john 1:7 study about being redeemed

Peter 1:18-20
redeemed
  • transitive verb
    To recover ownership of by paying a specified sum.
  • transitive verb
    To pay off (a promissory note, for example).

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18 Forasmuch as ye know that ye were not redeemed with corruptible things, as silver and gold, from your vain conversation received by tradition from your fathers;
19 But with the precious blood of Christ, as of a lamb without blemish and without spot:
20 Who verily was foreordained before the foundation of the world, but was manifest in these last times for you,

JV Dictionary Definition: redeem​

redeem​

REDEE'M, v.t. L. redimo; red, re, and emo, to obtain or purchase.

1. To purchase back; to ransom; to liberate or rescue from captivity or bondage, or from any obligation or liability to suffer or to be forfeited, by paying an equivalent; as, to redeem prisoners or captured goods; to redeem a pledge.

2. To repurchase what has been sold; to regain possession of a thing alienated, by repaying the value of it to the possessor.

If a man shall sell a dwelling house in a walled city, then he may redeem it within a whole year after it is sold.

Lev. 25.

3. To rescue; to recover; to deliver from.

Th' Almighty from the grave hath me redeem'd.

Redeem Israel, O God, out of all his troubles. Ps. 25. Deut. 7.

The mass of earth not yet redeemed from chaos.

4. To compensate; to make amends for.

It is a chance which does redeem all sorrows.

By lesser ills the greater to redeem.

5. To free by making atonement.

Thou hast one daughter who redeems nature from the general curse.

6. To pay the penalty of.

Which of you will be mortal to redeem man's mortal crime?

7. To save.

He could not have redeemed a portion of his time for contemplating the powers of nature.

8. To perform what has been promised; to make good by performance. He has redeemed his pledge or promise.

9. In law, to recall an estate, or to obtain the right to re-enter upon a mortgaged estate by paying to the mortgagee his principal, interest, and expenses or costs.

10. In theology, to rescue and deliver from the bondage of sin and the penalties of God's violated law, by obedience and suffering in the place of the sinner, or by doing and suffering that which is accepted in lieu of the sinner's obedience.

Christ hath redeemed us from the curse of the law, being made a curse for us. Gal. 3. Titus 2.

11. In commerce, to purchase or pay the value in specie, of any promissory note, bill or other evidence of debt, given by the state, by a company or corporation, or by an individual. The credit of a state, a banking company or individuals, is good when they can redeem all their stock, notes or bills, at par.

To redeem time, is to use more diligence in the improvement of it; to be diligent and active in duty and preparation. Eph. 5.

if we have been redeemed and when we die there is no purgatory jesus paid the price BTW none of this is of my interpretation nor is it man made up all scripture thus saith the Lord
 
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I grew up Catholic also and never heard about being saved and I thought "born again" is Evangelicals.........

If I had based my opinion of Jesus on Evangelicals I would have never wanted to know Jesus. Sorry, but that is my truth.

Jesus says Ask, Seek, Knock. If you really want to know the truth and you are not lying to yourself, he will show you the truth.

Before knowing what I know now, I didn't understand why the blood is so important. Why do people talk about being saved and born again? How would Jesus be the only way to God? Why would it make sense to sacrifice innocent animals? I'll answer these as best as I can because these are questions I had.

1. The Blood - The blood is important because he literally has different blood than us. Yes, it is similar because it is his mom's side/and it is different because it is God's side

2. Being Saved - You understand the truth of the blood. Jesus was really born in the flesh, died and was raised to life....this really did happen

3. Born Again - When you comprehend that Jesus is actually (Lord) human/divine and you believe in your heart God raised him from the dead....you are given the Spirit of Truth and you are born again and given spiritual googles to where you can see spiritual truths

4. The Way - God says that the truth will be preached to the whole world and then the end will come. Everyone on earth will be given the truth of what love is. (Jesus) There will be no excuse. God is a just judge. He knows where you are born and how much exposure to the truth you have. Those who have Jesus freely available and you haven't come to him, not good. This is cause Jesus is the light of the world and if you reject the light you reject God.

5. Animal sacrifice - Like What? But it actually does make sense. Animals are sinless and their sinless sacrifice would cover our sins. In Hebrews, it explains this action in terms of a "Will". The document that is drawn up and you are given inheritance. Their sinlessness was passed on to us so that we could pass through this world into heaven. This is why the sacrifice of Jesus was PERFECT. He knew our temptations, yet did not sin. He writes believers into the "Will" that God has drawn up and we receive the same inheritance as Christ.
 
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To me this is a simple but great CONTROVERSIAL question and topic.

For me, as an older believer, when I met the lord in 1978, the popular term of the day was "CONVERTED" or "BELIEVED".
You never heard the term "SAVED".
It just was never used.
In my recollection of my years past, it wasn't until the last 15 years or so, probably during the advent and increased popularity of the computor, that the term SAVED started being used for "CONVERSION" more and more almost universally.

And the word SAVED to me, is by far the more correct term than being converted.

As I'v gotten older, I have noticed more and more varying doctrinal beliefs of being saved.
And for me, I've decided what that means to be saved that works for me, after studying salvation as a major topic for myself, that is connected to almost every other topic in the bible.
Kind of like LOVE is a subject connected to nearly every topic in the bible - at least from my studies.

I'm not a RULE KEEPER or a LEGALIST that has a LIST I have to maintain, to stay in God's good graces.
I don't have to believe the same way as everyone else in a church to be accepted or fit in.
I don't have to believe the same way or the same things to be on a forum, or be in a men's bible study or Christian bible study class.

Over many years, I have come to the conclusion that my faith is incredibly personal, and it's only me who will stand before my JUDGE, all by myself, with no one there to support me, as I give an account for my entire life.

No matter where you go or who you talk to, there will always be a myriad of answers to this controversial question.

For me there is JUST ONE ANSWER that I can live with happily, as the foundation of my faith, that I can grow from, and what I believe is in UNITY and HARMONY with the rest of the entire bible as a whole story to all mankind from God, but I doubt it will fit in with many others beliefs.

I'll tell people what I believe and why, but I won't expect anyone else to believe what I believe, just to satisfy ME.

What we all believe is ultimately between God and ourselves.
So I hope no one comes here telling us what they believe and get really upset and feel rejected because we don't accept their theories, or come here thinking there going to set everyone straight on the way everything Christian SHOULD BE, or come here with a low self worth thinking that in their imagined wisdom, everyone will look up to them.

Seen all that many, many times in all kinds of settings, and to this day, I only saw someone who was all about themselves, with no God involved whatsoever.

God bless you all as you search for your own personal answers.
My name is OLIGOS
 
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dashboardchic19 said:
What does it mean to be saved? I was raised Catholic and there was never any mention of being saved. Is being saved simply accepting and believing in Jesus?
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Yes. Nothing less.. nothing more..
No one has anything more to say on that really.

I would tho recommend that you read the new testament.
Especially at least one of the first four books.
Then the acts. And then the letters of Paul.
Maybe you have read the Bible. I don't know.
But read about Jesus so you get to know who He is and what He might help you with.
Read and understand with your heart. Not with the head.
I say this because I think that you want to be able to have a personal experience for yourself..
And find the stories to be really true..

But as I said. Believing and accepting Jesus.
Is all you need to be saved and go to heaven.
God bless you!
 
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dashboardchic19 said:
What does it mean to be saved? I was raised Catholic and there was never any mention of being saved. Is being saved simply accepting and believing in Jesus?
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Here is the scripture on how to be saved.

because if you acknowledge and confess with your mouth that Jesus is Lord [recognizing His power, authority, and majesty as God], and believe in your heart that God raised Him from the dead, you will be saved. For with the heart a person believes [in Christ as Savior] resulting in his justification [that is, being made righteous—being freed of the guilt of sin and made acceptable to God]; and with the mouth he acknowledges and confesses [his faith openly], resulting in and confirming [his] salvation. For the Scripture says, “W hoever believes in H im [whoever adheres to, trusts in, and relies on Him] will not be disappointed [in his expectations].” For there is no distinction between Jew and Gentile; for the same Lord is Lord over all [of us], and [He is] abounding in riches (blessings) for all who call on Him [in faith and prayer]. For “ whoever calls on the name of the Lord [in prayer] will be saved .”
Romans 10:9‭-‬13 AMP
 
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Seasoned by Grace said:
To me this is a simple but great CONTROVERSIAL question and topic.

For me, as an older believer, when I met the lord in 1978, the popular term of the day was "CONVERTED" or "BELIEVED".
You never heard the term "SAVED".
It just was never used.
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if you do a survey 90% of people will most likely answer yes they are saved. but you ask have you had a born again experience it throws them off. the word saved is used frequently in the Bible as well as converted .yes the word believe many associate believe simply believing in God..
most every one does even though there not saved/converted.
times has changed Church has changed its a huge challenge for a pastor these days
 
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LovethroughDove said:
Animal sacrifice - Like What?
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That question arises through an intrinsic understanding of justice (Proverbs 17:15). It is a question coming naturally, that sinners cannot answer without twisting upright judgment into their favour.
LovethroughDove said:
He knew our temptations, yet did not sin.
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That's what underpins the statement in Hebrews 10:26-27, especially verse 29. To understand why the blood of bulls and goats could never take away sins (it is because the blood of animals is a thing so common - they shed the same blood daily for food - therefore there is not enough power in the blood to invoke remorse and compel them to repent. The fact is that they believed their sin would be forgiven by shedding more blood, therefore the temple had become an industry of slaughter driven by sin. However, if the blood of Jesus Christ is unable to compel remorse for sin, then what more can be done? The one who disregards the blood of the covenant of grace is only fit for destruction (Isaiah 5:1-7).
 
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