I don't want to preach people about political polarizing issues

[Hopeful 2]

But you don’t know whether they educate their kids on sexuality or not.

I am not privy to their inner workings at home and among family.
I do know that their kids won't learn about sex from porn.

But we don’t agree whether they really do.

Of course not.

Most “holy” parents I know perpetuate the purity culture,

What is your idea of "holy parents" ?
I know you don't beleive anyone will obey God perfectly, so are your "holy parents" actually unholy ?

their main focus was censoring any pornographic imagery, limiting their kids’ access to porn instead of educating their kids on sexuality. They may have the talk about the birds and the bees, but that doesn’t suffice.

How do you know it doesn't suffice ?

 

[Carry_Your_Name]

I am not privy to their inner workings at home and among family.
I do know that their kids won't learn about sex from porn.

Of course not.

What is your idea of "holy parents" ?
I know you don't beleive anyone will obey God perfectly, so are your "holy parents" actually unholy ?

How do you know it doesn't suffice ?

Who are you to determine who's holy and who's not? Where in the bible says parents who have the talk of birds and bees with their kids are holier than others who don't?

 

[Hopeful 2]

Who are you to determine who's holy and who's not?

Paul wrote that the spiritual man judges all things, in 1 Cor 2:15.
Are you unqualified to judge who is holy ?

Where in the bible says parents who have the talk of birds and bees with their kids are holier than others who don't?

It doesn't say that.
It does, however, say..."Train up a child in the way he should go: and when he is old, he will not depart from it." (Pro 22:6)
And why would any parent, holy or heathen, withhold such vital information from their child ?

 

[Carry_Your_Name]

It doesn't say that.
It does, however, say..."Train up a child in the way he should go: and when he is old, he will not depart from it." (Pro 22:6)
And why would any parent, holy or heathen, withhold such vital information from their child ?

Because they themselves have not an inkling of such "vital information", holy or heathen. They're under the influence of purity culture and St. Augustine's theology.

Paul wrote that the spiritual man judges all things, in 1 Cor 2:15.
Are you unqualified to judge who is holy ?

“Judge not, that you be not judged. For with what judgment you judge, you will be judged; and with the measure you use, it will be measured back to you." (Matt. 7:1-2)

 

[follower]

Perfect obedience to God makes them holy.

You might have already posted what group says this, but I don't remember seeing any group ever that does, so
what group, if any, or what teacher or preacher or anyone, if any, taught you this ?

 

[Who Me]

No doubt about it.
Doesn't that show us that it is the unrepentant, who have yet to have Jesus' sacrifice applied to them, who are the "unholy" ?

One can't be holy without obedience to God.
There are no holy disobedient people.

I agree, but remember they are repentant saved sinners first and then followers of Jesus showing their love for him by their obedience.
No one is holy because of their obedience.

 

[Hopeful 2]

Because they themselves have not an inkling of such "vital information", holy or heathen. They're under the influence of purity culture and St. Augustine's theology.

How can you tell that ?

“Judge not, that you be not judged. For with what judgment you judge, you will be judged; and with the measure you use, it will be measured back to you." (Matt. 7:1-2)

I'll take that as a "NO", you aren't spiritual.

 

[Hopeful 2]

You might have already posted what group says this, but I don't remember seeing any group ever that does, so
what group, if any, or what teacher or preacher or anyone, if any, taught you this ?

The fact is not deniable.
One can't be holy and disobedient.
Obey God, and be holy ! (1 Peter 1:16)
The church I belong to is called "The Church By Christ Jesus (Eph 3:21)"

 

[Hopeful 2]

I agree, but remember they are repentant saved sinners first and then followers of Jesus showing their love for him by their obedience.
No one is holy because of their obedience.

It's a matter of semantics, really.
You gotta be holy to be holy.
Obedience is the manifestation of "holy".
Holiness is the manifestation of obedience.

 

[iwll42]

Maybe, but that doesn't justify the general ignorance in sexuality, especially among "holy parents" who treat necessarily knowledge in this aspect as porn. Bible is never shy on sexuality and reproduction.

yes, this is how my parents did.
they just... didn't...

act like it doesn't exist.
neither received sex talk either ever..

shows how my parents truly failed me in all matters.

I was afraid of saying I like some girl (show any attraction), because it connotes to that stuff ultimately, and somehow that was wrong.

 

[Carry_Your_Name]

How can you tell that ?

Testimony from #50, right above!

 

[Hopeful 2]

It is Jesus's sacrifice app.ied to repentant sinners that makes one holy.
Yes obedience then becomes part of holiness, but no one is holy just because of obedience.

Yeah, as there is no "just" something to be made conformable to Christ Jesus.
A whole lot of things must occur in order to be holy.

 

[Hopeful 2]

Testimony from #50, right above!

You've made a generalization from one example.

 

[Carry_Your_Name]

You've made a generalization from one example.

You've made a false generalization from no example.

 

[Hopeful 2]

You've made a false generalization from no example.

Is it your POV that children can only learn about sex if they see porn ?

 

[Carry_Your_Name]

Is it your POV that children can only learn about sex if they see porn ?

Is it your POV that children magically learn about sex when they grow up? And become expert of it once they get married?

 

[Hopeful 2]

Is it your POV that children magically learn about sex when they grow up? And become expert of it once they get married?

They should be learning about it from their parents.
Nobody better be talking about sex with my kids but my wife and I.

 

[Carry_Your_Name]

They should be learning about it from their parents.
Nobody better be talking about sex with my kids but my wife and I.

You made a false statement that "holy parents would teach their kids about this (sexuality and reproduction)." I know for a fact that most parents, especially whom you revered as "holy parents" who grew up in religious homes under the heavy influence of purity culture, never teach their kids anything about this, which was attested by a fellow brother in this very thread.

 

[Hopeful 2]

You made a false statement that "holy parents would teach their kids about this (sexuality and reproduction)." I know for a fact that most parents, especially whom you revered as "holy parents" who grew up in religious homes under the heavy influence of purity culture, never teach their kids anything about this, which was attested by a fellow brother in this very thread.

Your description of "holy" differs from mine.
As you don't actually believe anyone can be holy-sinless, your version of holy is surely tainted with sin.

 

[Carry_Your_Name]

Your description of "holy" differs from mine.
As you don't actually believe anyone can be holy-sinless, your version of holy is surely tainted with sin.

OK, show me any evidence of "holy parents" who do "teach their kids about this", and back it up with scripture which orders sex education. So far there's nothing supports your version of "holy" regarding this matter, but evidence against it.