The ‘Queen of Heaven’

[JLB]

God pronounced severe judgment on the people of Judah and Jerusalem because they worshiped “the queen of heaven” (Jer. 7:17–20; 44:15–19). Who or what was the queen of heaven, and how did the people of Israel get involved in worship of her?

Do you not see what they do in the cities of Judah and in the streets of Jerusalem? The children gather wood, the fathers kindle the fire, and the women knead dough, to make cakes for the queen of heaven; and they pour out drink offerings to other gods, that they may provoke Me to anger. Jeremiah 7:17-18


But we will certainly do whatever has gone out of our own mouth, to burn incense to the queen of heaven and pour out drink offerings to her, as we have done, we and our fathers, our kings and our princes, in the cities of Judah and in the streets of Jerusalem. For then we had plenty of food, were well-off, and saw no trouble. But since we stopped burning incense to the queen of heaven and pouring out drink offerings to her, we have lacked everything and have been consumed by the sword and by famine.” Jeremiah 44:17-18


The Babylonians worshiped Ishtar as “The Virgin,” “The Holy Virgin,” “The Virgin Mother,” “Goddess of Goddesses,”7 and “Queen of Heaven and Earth.”8 They exclaimed, “Ishtar is great! Ishtar is Queen! My Lady is exalted, my Lady is Queen. . . . There is none like unto her.”9


The Egyptians called Isis “the Great Mother” and “the Mother of God.”15 Isis worship spread to Italy by the second century and then throughout the entire Roman Empire. There the goddess was portrayed with her “divine child Horus” in her arms and widely acclaimed as “Queen of Heaven” and “Mother of God.”16

The ‘Queen of Heaven’ – Israel My Glory

israelmyglory.org

JLB

 

[Mungo]

God pronounced severe judgment on the people of Judah and Jerusalem because they worshiped “the queen of heaven” (Jer. 7:17–20; 44:15–19). Who or what was the queen of heaven, and how did the people of Israel get involved in worship of her?

Do you not see what they do in the cities of Judah and in the streets of Jerusalem? The children gather wood, the fathers kindle the fire, and the women knead dough, to make cakes for the queen of heaven; and they pour out drink offerings to other gods, that they may provoke Me to anger. Jeremiah 7:17-18


But we will certainly do whatever has gone out of our own mouth, to burn incense to the queen of heaven and pour out drink offerings to her, as we have done, we and our fathers, our kings and our princes, in the cities of Judah and in the streets of Jerusalem. For then we had plenty of food, were well-off, and saw no trouble. But since we stopped burning incense to the queen of heaven and pouring out drink offerings to her, we have lacked everything and have been consumed by the sword and by famine.” Jeremiah 44:17-18


The Babylonians worshiped Ishtar as “The Virgin,” “The Holy Virgin,” “The Virgin Mother,” “Goddess of Goddesses,”7 and “Queen of Heaven and Earth.”8 They exclaimed, “Ishtar is great! Ishtar is Queen! My Lady is exalted, my Lady is Queen. . . . There is none like unto her.”9


The Egyptians called Isis “the Great Mother” and “the Mother of God.”15 Isis worship spread to Italy by the second century and then throughout the entire Roman Empire. There the goddess was portrayed with her “divine child Horus” in her arms and widely acclaimed as “Queen of Heaven” and “Mother of God.”16

The ‘Queen of Heaven’ – Israel My Glory

israelmyglory.org

JLB

I know what you are getting at but giving honour to the true Queen of Heaven is not wrong because some pagans 3,000 years ago gave honour to a false queen of heaven, just as worshipping the one true God is not wrong because some pagans 3,000 years ago worshipped false gods.

If you want to understand the arguments for Mary being the true Queen of Heaven see this thread - Understanding Mary - Queen of Heaven, but you know that because you have already commented on it. So why bring it up again?

 

[JLB]

I know what you are getting at but giving honour to the true Queen of Heaven is not wrong

Please provide the scripture that says we are to worship, pay homage, (honor) or pray to the queen of heaven.





JLB

 

[Mungo]

Please provide the scripture that says we are to worship, pay homage, (honor) or pray to the queen of heaven.





JLB

We've been through all that in then other thread.
If you have nothing new to add I'm closing this one.

 

[journeyman]

Mary was no doubt an exceptional Jewish girl. There's nothing wrong in mentioning her as a firm believer in God, even before she gave birth to him, but she shouldn't be the primary focus of our faith.

 

[Mungo]

Mary was no doubt an exceptional Jewish girl. There's nothing wrong in mentioning her as a firm believer in God, even before she gave birth to him, but she shouldn't be the primary focus of our faith.

Of course Mary is not the primary focus of our faith.

 

[Highway54]

God pronounced severe judgment on the people of Judah and Jerusalem because they worshiped “the queen of heaven” (Jer. 7:17–20; 44:15–19). Who or what was the queen of heaven, and how did the people of Israel get involved in worship of her?

Do you not see what they do in the cities of Judah and in the streets of Jerusalem? The children gather wood, the fathers kindle the fire, and the women knead dough, to make cakes for the queen of heaven; and they pour out drink offerings to other gods, that they may provoke Me to anger. Jeremiah 7:17-18


But we will certainly do whatever has gone out of our own mouth, to burn incense to the queen of heaven and pour out drink offerings to her, as we have done, we and our fathers, our kings and our princes, in the cities of Judah and in the streets of Jerusalem. For then we had plenty of food, were well-off, and saw no trouble. But since we stopped burning incense to the queen of heaven and pouring out drink offerings to her, we have lacked everything and have been consumed by the sword and by famine.” Jeremiah 44:17-18


The Babylonians worshiped Ishtar as “The Virgin,” “The Holy Virgin,” “The Virgin Mother,” “Goddess of Goddesses,”7 and “Queen of Heaven and Earth.”8 They exclaimed, “Ishtar is great! Ishtar is Queen! My Lady is exalted, my Lady is Queen. . . . There is none like unto her.”9


The Egyptians called Isis “the Great Mother” and “the Mother of God.”15 Isis worship spread to Italy by the second century and then throughout the entire Roman Empire. There the goddess was portrayed with her “divine child Horus” in her arms and widely acclaimed as “Queen of Heaven” and “Mother of God.”16

The ‘Queen of Heaven’ – Israel My Glory

israelmyglory.org

JLB

Who or what was the queen of heaven, and how did the people of Israel get involved in worship of her?

She is a fictitious goddess unidentified in the Bible but thought to be ishtar/easter a goddess of fertility

 

[journeyman]

Of course Mary is not the primary focus of our faith.

Hello Mungo.
Sorry if I misrepresented the Catholic faith. It does seem as though Mary is venerated in a way that borders on worship.
I know a Catholic believer who loves Jesus and prays to Mary. I don't believe dead saints answer our prayers.

 

[JLB]

She is a fictitious goddess unidentified in the Bible but thought to be ishtar/easter a goddess of fertility

God brought destruction upon His people for honoring her.


JLB

 

[JLB]

Of course Mary is not the primary focus of our faith.

Do you believe Mary was born sinless?

 

[Mungo]

Hello Mungo.
Sorry if I misrepresented the Catholic faith. It does seem as though Mary is venerated in a way that borders on worship.
I know a Catholic believer who loves Jesus and prays to Mary. I don't believe dead saints answer our prayers.

If you want to know more about praying to Saints there is a thread on it here which explains the Catholic belief -

Praying to the Saints in Heaven​

 

[Mungo]

Do you believe Mary was born sinless?

Yes
There is a thread covering that already -

Understanding Mary- Immaculate Conception​

 

[journeyman]

If you want to know more about praying to Saints there is a thread on it here which explains the Catholic belief -

Praying to the Saints in Heaven​

Thanks Mungo. I have visited that thread and do see a problem with Catholic explanation on this. I'll reply over in the Praying to saints thread.

 

[Mungo]

Thanks Mungo. I have visited that thread and do see a problem with Catholic explanation on this. I'll reply over in the Praying to saints thread.

OK, I'll look out for it.

 

[Highway54]

God brought destruction upon His people for honoring her.


JLB

and soon will again don't you imagine? Not just for honoring her, but for all the disgusting things people do in His name Jn 16:2

 

[Mungo]

and soon will again don't you imagine? Not just for honoring her, but for all the disgusting things people do in His name Jn 16:2

For honouring a false Queen of Heaven.

 

[Highway54]

For honouring a false Queen of Heaven.

Yes sir, the key word of course is false.

 

[donadams]

Please provide the scripture that says we are to worship, pay homage, (honor) or pray to the queen of heaven.





JLB

Only God may be lawfully worshipped!

Mary is not God or a goddess!

Rom 13:7 honor Mary!

Lk 1:48 “all generations (Christians) shall call me blessed”!

Honor, praise, veneration, love, prayer, and devotion are not worship, not adoration!

God alone may be lawfully worshipped!

Worship requires intent, and adoration, reparation, and the offering of sacrifice!

God alone may be lawfully worshipped!

Praise of Mary and the saints redounds to the glory of God and Christ, cos Mary and the saints are what God made them, it is His handiwork (Lk 1:49 Lk 1:28) and the graces they have come from the merits of Christ’s passion and death.

2 Thessalonians 1:10
When he shall come to be glorified in his saints, and to be admired in all them that believe (because our testimony among you was believed) in that day.

Mary all powerful advocate!
Help of Christian’s!

Mary ever virgin, mother of God, is all powerful in her prayers!

Mary’s prayers are all powerful not cos she is God but because her son is God!

and on becoming man He (Jesus) obeyed his own commandments

you might check out the one that says “honor Thy father and mother”

“My hour has not come”

The time set by almighty God for the public ministry of Christ had not come, Jesus Christ still performed the miracle cos his mother interceded, thus a higher law, “honor thy father and mother” if ANYONE else asked it would NOT have been done!
John 2

and cos of her intercession the disciples believed in Him!
Jn 2:11

There is another point that Jesus is making when he says: what does it have to do with you and me? My hour hath not yet come. Indicating that when it does come Mary will have a prominent role to play. See Lk 2:35

In the line of David the king, the mother of the king is queen and receives the petitions of the people and presents them to her son the king!

More below

 

[donadams]

Queen of Heaven!

Psalm 45:9 …upon thy right hand did stand the queen in gold of Ophir.

Son of David the king: royalty!

Matt 1:1 The book of the generation of Jesus Christ, the son of David, the son of Abraham.

Matt 1:20 But while he thought on these things, behold, the angel of the Lord appeared unto him in a dream, saying, Joseph, thou son of David, fear not to take unto thee Mary thy wife: for that which is conceived in her is of the Holy Ghost.

Matthew 9:27
And when Jesus departed thence, two blind men followed him, crying, and saying, Thou son of David, have mercy on us.

Matt 12:23
Matt 15:22
Matt 20:30
Matt 20:31
Matt 21:9-15 etc.

Romans 1:3
Concerning his Son Jesus Christ our Lord, which was made of the seed of David according to the flesh;

House of David the king:

Lk 1:27 To a virgin espoused to a man whose name was Joseph, of the house of David; and the virgin's name was Mary.

Received the kingdom of David:

Lk 1:32 He shall be great, and shall be called the Son of the Highest: and the Lord God shall give unto him the throne of his father David:

33 And he shall reign over the house of Jacob for ever; and of his kingdom there shall be no end.

Rev 12:1 And there appeared a great wonder in heaven; a woman clothed with the sun, and the moon under her feet, and upon her head a crown of twelve stars:

Christ is King, Mary must be queen!

Only a queen can bear a king!

A Royal greeting!

Lk 1:28 is the only place in the Bible where such a greeting takes place!
Mary is of the tribe of Judah and the royal house of David the king!

God himself is greeting Mary thru the instrument of the angel Gabriel!

This is a Royal greeting of the queen of heaven and earth! Queen of the angels and saints! Mary is of the house of king David!

In the line of king David the mother of the king is the queen, as Jesus Christ is the king of heaven and earth and the angels and saints so Mary is the queen of the same! Lk 1:32-33 the queen mother sits at His right hand and receives the petitions of the members of the kingdom!

The mother of any king is automatically queen and rules half the kingdom!
The queen mother!

Lk 1:28 And the angel entered to her, and said, Hail, full of grace; the Lord is with thee; blessed be thou among women.

29 And when she had heard, she was troubled in his word, and thought what manner salutation this was.

30 And the angel said to her, Fear not, Mary, for thou hast found favor with God.

Mary is mother of mercy and the throne of grace!
heb 4:16

A good tree!

Matthew 7:18
A good tree cannot bring forth evil fruit, neither can a corrupt tree bring forth good fruit.

The fruit of the tree of Mary is our salvation! Lk 2:30 Jesus is our salvation!
Lk 1:30 Mary found our salvation!

Queen of heaven
In the line of david’s kingdom the mother of the king is always queen!
Jesus is king Lk 1:32-33
And Jesus is the king of heaven & earth & all the angels & saints, so Mary is queen of heaven & earth & all the angels & saints!

so Mary too is the fruit of the merits, virtues, & graces provided by Christ! Lk 1:47 Mary also saved by God



2 Tim 2:8 Remember that Jesus Christ of the seed of David was raised from the dead according to my gospel:

2 Tim 2: 21 If a man therefore purge himself from these, he shall be a vessel unto honour, sanctified, and meet for the master's use, and prepared unto every good work. How much more Mary who was prepared by God thru the immaculate conception! Lk 1:49

Heb 2:7

Thou madest him a little lower than the angels; thou crownedst him with glory and honour, and didst set him over the works of thy hands

Rev12:1 woman clothed with the sun.
Crown of stars = queen Mary


David the king carried the ark to the earthly Jerusalem.
2 Sam 6:15-16

Jesus the new king carried His ark to the heavenly Jerusalem! Rev 12:1
(Assumption of Mary into heaven and crowned with glory!)
Inaugurating the kingdom!


1 kings 2:19 Bathsheba therefore went unto king Solomon, to speak unto him for Adonijah. And the king rose up to meet her, and bowed himself unto her, and sat down on his throne, and caused a seat to be set for the king's mother; and she sat on his right hand.

Lk 1:32 He shall be great, and shall be called the Son of the Highest: and the Lord God shall give unto him the throne of his father David:

Heb 4:16 Let us therefore come boldly unto the throne of grace, that we may obtain mercy, and find grace to help in time of need.

ONLY A KING AND A QUEEN SIT ON A THRONE!

Thanks

 

[Mungo]

Yes sir, the key word of course is false.

But it is right to honour the true Queen of Heaven.