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Genesis 1

27 So God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them.
28 And God blessed them, and God said unto them, Be fruitful, and multiply, and replenish the earth, and subdue it: and have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over every living thing that moveth upon the earth.


We know that God tells man to be fruitful and multiply, is there ever reason to use birthcontrol for the beliver? If most forms of birth control are abortificients are we aborting our children by using them? If God calls children a blessing, should we be rejecting His blessings, even if we are using a 'moral' birth control method? Thoughts?

The Lord bless all of you.
 
Being that I will be getting married in October, this is a subject both my fiance and I have talked about. There is definatly a want from both of us to have childeren. However, we (unless God has other plans) would like to wait a few years before having them.

It's difficult though because it comes down to motives. Are our motives for not wanting to have childeren selfish in nature? Some of them may be...

I'm interested to see some other comments.
 
What a great question...I don't have an opinion as I have never thought about it....I too will looking for some opinions.
 
lovely said:
Genesis 1


We know that God tells man to be fruitful and multiply, is there ever reason to use birthcontrol for the beliver? If most forms of birth control are abortificients are we aborting our children by using them? If God calls children a blessing, should we be rejecting His blessings, even if we are using a 'moral' birth control method? Thoughts?

The Lord bless all of you.

Before the Lambda Conference of 1930, every Christian denomination believed that birth control was against God's will. That gathering, apparently, has given many Protestants the impetus for dispensing of this 2000 year belief of the Church.

Regards
 
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My wife and I cannot have children because of our age, but believe we still enjoy sex very much. I don't believe using birth control methods, with the exception of the morning after pill, is wrong. Using birth control doesn't kill the unborn because no child was created. If I were to believe birth control was wrong, then, I shouldn't have sex now because I am my sperm is useless, just like birth control make the sperm useless.

If one is in doubt, one should ask God as to if we are to use birth control, and never use birth before married becaause God condemns it.



May God bless, Golfjack
 
I believe it is wrong because it basically says to God, "Hey we are in control of our own sex lives. We don't want the procreative act to be procreative." Sex is good. God made it, so not only is it good, it is holy. Within the bounds of marriage sex should always be open to life. If someone wishes to space pregnancies, it means no sex for a little while.
 
I agree completely with golfjack. My wife and I use birth control because of her chronic pain and the heavy medication she takes to get through every day. It would be very unwise for us to not use birth control.
 
aj830 said:
If someone wishes to space pregnancies, it means no sex for a little while.
And yet Paul warns of not having sex for too long as it leads to temptation.
 
Before the Lambda Conference of 1930, every Christian denomination believed that birth control was against God's will. That gathering, apparently, has given many Protestants the impetus for dispensing of this 2000 year belief of the Church.

That you are quite correct in. Here are some quotes from Protestant Reformers on contraception.

"[T]he exceedingly foul deed of Onan, the basest of wretches . . . is a most disgraceful sin. It is far more atrocious than incest and adultery. We call it unchastity, yes, a sodomitic sin. For Onan goes in to her; that is, he lies with her and copulates, and when it comes to the point of insemination, spills the semen, lest the woman conceive. Surely at such a time the order of nature established by God in procreation should be followed. Accordingly, it was a most disgraceful crime. . . . Consequently, he deserved to be killed by God. He committed an evil deed. Therefore, God punished him."
Martin Luther

"The voluntary spilling of semen outside of intercourse between man and woman is a monstrous thing. Deliberately to withdraw from coitus in order that semen may fall on the ground is doubly monstrous. For this is to extinguish the hope of the race and to kill before he is born the hoped-for offspring."
John Calvin

"Those sins that dishonor the body are very displeasing to God, and the evidence of vile affections. Observe, the thing which he [Onan] did displeased the Lordâ€â€and it is to be feared; thousands, especially of single persons, by this very thing, still displease the Lord, and destroy their own souls."
John Wesley
 
I honestly wish condom's didn't even exist. That should tell you what I think about birth control. I realize though that in this wicked culture of ours which indulges in pre-marital sex that condoms are possibly the only deterent for more wickedness and the burden of young parenthood. That's about the only thing good I can say about condoms, though that's not even a compliment. And paradoxially it also seems to encourage the wicked to practice it more often since they think they can avoid the consequences (though some are "unlucky" since they don't always work - thus the deterent again).

As for using condoms inside of marriage I honestly find that strangely out of context (since it's more oriented toward people who have extra-marital sex) - in other words I think its an odd idea, and possibly wrong.

~Josh
 
lovely said:
Genesis 1

27 So God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them.
28 And God blessed them, and God said unto them, Be fruitful, and multiply, and replenish the earth, and subdue it: and have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over every living thing that moveth upon the earth.


We know that God tells man to be fruitful and multiply, is there ever reason to use birthcontrol for the beliver? If most forms of birth control are abortificients are we aborting our children by using them? If God calls children a blessing, should we be rejecting His blessings, even if we are using a 'moral' birth control method? Thoughts?

The Lord bless all of you.

Hi,

Once the command 'be fruitful and multiply' is fulfilled the end of the age will be at our door. The opportunity to be fruitful and multiply is already being 'constrained' not everywhere equally, and the world population still continues to grow, but it is not hard to see the 'restraints' coming into play.
 
Ok, for those that BELIEVE birth control to be OK; Aren't we to live by GOD'S will? And isn't birth control taking things in OUR OWN HANDS? Amazing how EASY it is to condone and condemn according to our individual WISHES. To say; 'well, that gets in the way of MY desires so I'll 'come up' with some EXCUSE as to WHY it's OK for ME to do it'.

Birth control is NOTHING short of a potential MINI abortion EACH time an egg is destroyed. A POTENTIAL life that has been ELIMINATED by the individual that takes a 'pill'. Each 'WASTED' sperm is a POTENTIAL life that IS eliminated through the use of a condom. There is ONE story where a man DIED for wasting his sperm in order to avoid impregnating his wife.

Birth control is NOT righteous no matter WHAT excuse one uses to condone it. It boils down to OUR will verses God's will. He did NOT put us here to SIMPLY enjoy sex but to PROCREATE. That was the ORIGINAL commandment, "Be fruitful and replenish the Earth". It has NEVER been left up to US as to whether or not we would conceive or not.

So, for those that DO use birth control; be TRUE to yourselves EVEN if you CHOOSE to go AGAINST that which was GIVEN to us. Don't LIE to yourselves and make excuses. Simply ACCEPT that YOUR will is MORE important than God's and HOPE that He will forgive you. And ANY true Christian will tell you EXACTLY what I have offered here. IF one has even TASTED of the Spirit, these things WILL be revealed as PLAIN as DAY.

Will birth control KEEP one from 'being saved'? Can't answer that question. But I can GUARANTEE that it will CERTAINLY impede one's 'WALK', as ANYTHING that we do that goes AGAINST God's will.

As amazing as this question is, I'm QUITE sure that those that wish to have pre-marital sex will inevitably come up with SOME excuse to do this as well. Actually question whether this is OK or not as well.

And guys, this one is NOT about Law. It's about LOVE. We either submit to the Spirit and LEARN LOVE, or we simply AVOID 'true love' and instead simply exhibit SELF LOVE that leads to NOTHING but sorrow. For those that DO NOT learn to love GOD and OTHERS are doomed to ONE DAY be UTTERLY LOST when that which they do LOVE, (themselves), is ALL they have left.

MEC
 
lovely said:
Genesis 1

27 So God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them.
28 And God blessed them, and God said unto them, Be fruitful, and multiply, and replenish the earth, and subdue it: and have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over every living thing that moveth upon the earth.


We know that God tells man to be fruitful and multiply, is there ever reason to use birthcontrol for the beliver? If most forms of birth control are abortificients are we aborting our children by using them? If God calls children a blessing, should we be rejecting His blessings, even if we are using a 'moral' birth control method? Thoughts?

The Lord bless all of you.

I look at it that one could feel obligated to have sex every waking- moment of the day in order to keep multiplying as long as a couple is capable of breaing children together. So I hardly think that God wants us to make sure that we have children whenever possible. So since the bible doesn't addrress birth control that I'm aware of, then born-again Christians need to pray and seek the Lord's leading on whether or not to use birth control at any given time. Since there's nothing ins cripture about that, then that's only my personal opinion. :)
 
Heidi,

I contend that you are wrong concerning scriptural reference to birth control. I even mentioned it in my previous post.

There was NO such thing as a 'pill' or a 'condom' at the time that the Bible was written. But there WERE means used to PREVENT pregnancy. MOST were likely considered sorcery of sorts but the story that I referred to was UNMISTAKABLY referring to a man PURPOSELY avoiding his wife becoming pregnant. HE DIED for his folly.

Your explanation is like saying that one should pray and ask for guidance before using cocaine. Or, one should QUESTION whether or not pornography is right or wrong simply because the Bible doesn't MENTION it.

It's THIS SIMPLE: We have been TOLD to place our faith and trust in GOD ALONE. When we attempt to CONTROL things ourselves we take AWAY from God's will and implant our own.

I am WELL aware that the world that we live in today has taught us to LOVE money and PLEASURE and SELF WILL. That is SELF LOVE and for those that FOLLOW this teaching there is LITTLE room in their hearts for God or ANYTHING but themselves. And that the churches have 'fallen pray' to this 'worldly living' is just another sign of how FAR we have veered from The Spirit. SO far that MOST are NOT even AWARE of what it TRULY IS, much less are they able to be LED by It.

As I stated previous; It's TRULY amazing how EASY we now find it to DISREGARD that which has been offered that does NOT PLEASE US. Choosing to follow OUR will rather than that of God and professing to be Christian the ENTIRE TIME. Kind of makes ya go Hmmmmmmmmm...........

MEC
 
So an open question then for any and all who wish to answer.

I will be getting married in October and both my future wife and I have stated we do not wish to "try" for childeren right away. Does that mean

a)Abstaining from all sexual relations until we are ready to have childeren?

or

b)Using a form of birth control that does prevents conception (i.e. "rythem" method, contraceptive, etc.)
 
Well fnerb, let's see................ Oh, you ARE a Catholic RIGHT? If orthadox I would assume that you would ALREADY KNOW the answer to this question. It's one that the CC has been dealing with for about 100 years now. What is THEIR answer to this question?

MEC
 
Imagican said:
Ok, for those that BELIEVE birth control to be OK; Aren't we to live by GOD'S will? And isn't birth control taking things in OUR OWN HANDS?...

Well said. Amazing how much people are willing to justify their actions.
Birth control leads to a culture of death.

Regards
 
Fnerb said:
So an open question then for any and all who wish to answer.

I will be getting married in October and both my future wife and I have stated we do not wish to "try" for childeren right away. Does that mean

a)Abstaining from all sexual relations until we are ready to have childeren?

or

b)Using a form of birth control that does prevents conception (i.e. "rythem" method, contraceptive, etc.)

Fnerb,

I applaud you for even being open to the will of God by this searching. Most would just "do what I feel like doing - it's my own business".

You should abstain from sexual relationships until married. Otherwise, this is fornication, a sin. You don't need me to say that!

However, once married, God has built the woman in a particular way in which she is naturally sterile during 25 or so days of the month. The "Natural Family Planning" method is a manner of utilizing God's design and avoiding the sex act during the times when the woman is fertile. This method works for those women with irregular periods, because it is based on the measuring of the temperature of the cervix, which is more accurate than calendars or other means. It does not disrupt God's choice to grant a baby to the couple by natural means. It is very accurate and effective. I would do a "google" on NFP and you will find more information. Many Protestants, as well as Catholics, have found that this allows them peace of mind in both the spiritual and material realm.

I also remember a statistic that went something like only 1% of Catholic couples who practice NFP got divorced, compared to the roughly 50% of the general Catholic population. I think it has something to do with more intimate communication involved in doing NFP. Also, those willing to do this are obviously more open to prayer and doing God's will over their own desire to do it the "easy way".

God bless and again, it is good to see people trying to do God's Will above their own.

Regards
 
Did no one even read my post?


Imagican said:
Birth control is NOTHING short of a potential MINI abortion EACH time an egg is destroyed.
What kind of argument is that? Really?

Imagican said:
Will birth control KEEP one from 'being saved'? Can't answer that question.
I can: No, it won't.

Imagican said:
Birth control is NOT righteous no matter WHAT excuse one uses to condone it.
And it isn't unrighteous either.

Imagican said:
It boils down to OUR will verses God's will. He did NOT put us here to SIMPLY enjoy sex but to PROCREATE. That was the ORIGINAL commandment, "Be fruitful and replenish the Earth". It has NEVER been left up to US as to whether or not we would conceive or not.
Support this from Scripture. Support your argument that "Be fruitful and replenish the Earth" means that we are to never use birth control.

I find the idea utterly absurd that every time a man and wife have sex that there should be potential for procreation. I believe that God gives us a brain so that we can make prudent decisions, including whether or not it is time to try and procreate.


For everyone who is against birth control, please provide even one verse from Scripture that condemns it. Not that silence means it's okay, I just want to see if anyone has any scriptural justification for not believing in birth control.
 
Hi everyone,

Interesting responses. I believe that there is never a reason that I would ever avoid having children, and I believe that Scripture teaches this to me...directly, and in pattern. I think God should do the planning. Our children are spaced well, because of nursing. If a woman nurses a child, then she and the child are more healthy, and there is usually a natural spacing.

Fnerb, I think that you really should study all forms of birth control if you decide to use them, because the pill, and the morning after pill, can actually cause someone to terminate a fertile egg. I would also do a search on Margaret Sanger...the founder of planned parenthood.

Free, I completely understand your point of view. I don't know what I would do in your situation, but I think it would be very difficult. The question boils down to either protecting your wife's health, or having as many children as you are able...that is difficult, and I think it must be up to the two of you to be led by the Holy Spirit in this area. I am not sure that you believe that God should determine the number, though. Anyway, your situation is a reminder of how the sin of this world affects us in so many ways...even in our health and having children.

Jack, who knows, if you keep trying you may just a receive another blessing like Abraham did. :-D

Josh, unbelievers will always have a different standard, but it is when the church adapts that standard that we should examine ourselves.

Joe, I think that if many would do a search on Margaret Sanger...the woman credited for founding planned parenthood, they would come to see satan's hand working through this woman to contaminate the world, and the church, with her sick ideas. It still amazes me that she is so celebrated...maybe those who celebrate her haven't read her sick books. I believe the church, and yes mostly the protestant part, have been duped.

The pill, which is the most used form of birth control, is still a potential abortifacient. It also leads to a higher chance of miscarriage in a woman's first pregnancy, even when she has stopped using it for several months prior. The pill is also very bad for a ladies health...as is abortion. Pregnancy, for most healthy women, actually makes a women healthier when she does the right things and nurses. Nursing is wonderful for a child, and we know that if done for two years it helps brain development better than anything...look at all the problems children have today with development. I think there may be a connection, and so does the medical world because they now promote nursing more...though not like they should. Sin is still there, and even if we do everything right, things could still go wrong, but we should try if we know to better. Women were also never intended to have as many cycles as we do...which leads to many health problems on a monthly basis...migraines, swelling, emotional upsets, fatigue, etc., and most of these get worse as she gets older. There may even be related problems after childbearing age.

I really don't want to simplify this issue, but I also think that believers need to consider it more, and with open eyes. The Lord bless all of you.
 

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