birth control...is it Biblical?

[Free]

Ok, for those that BELIEVE birth control to be OK; Aren't we to live by GOD'S will? And isn't birth control taking things in OUR OWN HANDS?...

Well said. Amazing how much people are willing to justify their actions.
Birth control leads to a culture of death.

Regards

Death leads to a culture of death, not birth control. Perhaps we should talk gun control...

 

[Heidi]

Well said. Amazing how much people are willing to justify their actions.
Birth control leads to a culture of death.

Regards

And Jesus said not to call anyone on earth 'father'. So only when the Catholics obey the word of God will they be in a position to tell others to believe the word of God. :roll:

 

[Heidi]

Death leads to a culture of death, not birth control. Perhaps we should talk gun control...

Funny how the culture hasn't died since the advent of birth control. :

 

[jgredline]

How about a monkey wrench...

What about the woman having a tubular done?
Or the man a vasectomy?

Or both?

 

[francisdesales]

Support this from Scripture. Support your argument that "Be fruitful and replenish the Earth" means that we are to never use birth control.

Being against birth control was an accepted Christian practice until the "sign of the times" came upon us in 1930. The better question would be "why did Protestants do away with this teaching of the universal Church"?

On to your question...

The Bible clearly tells us that children are a blessing from God. Are we to grieve the Holy Spirit by telling God that we don't want His blessings, but prefer to save money and buy a sports car??? What does God say about the rich entering heaven?

Here are some verses that talk about child birth being a blessing from God...

1) Married couples are to "be fruitful and multiply"; this is a blessing (Gen. 1:28; 9:1,7; 28:3; 35:11; Dt. 7:13-14; Ps. 107:38; 115:14; 128:1-4; Prov. 17:6; Ecc. 6:3).

2) Barrenness is contrary to blessing and "glory" (Ex. 23:25-26; Jer. 18:21; Hos. 9:11).

3) Procreation is central to marriage (Mal. 2:14-15).

4) Childbearing is so sacred that women are even said to be "saved" by it (1 Tim. 2:15).

5) It is God Who opens and closes wombs and causes a conception to occur (Gen. 20:17-18; 29:31; 30:2,22; Josh. 24:3-4; Ruth 4:13; Ps. 113:9).

6) Children are a gift from God (Gen. 17:16,20; 29:32-33; 33:5; Ps. 127:3).

Taken from compilation at : http://socrates58.blogspot.com/2006/05/ ... ainst.html

Psalm 127:3-5: "Lo, sons are a heritage from the LORD, the fruit of the womb a reward. Like arrows in the hand of a warrior are the sons of one's youth. Happy is the man who has his quiver full of them! . .

Regards

 

[Heidi]

How about a monkey wrench...

What about the woman having a tubular done?
Or the man a vasectomy?

Or both?

According to the catholics, a couple has to have sexual relations every waking moment or they might miss the chance of conceiving. : But since their interpretation of the bible is the opposite of what it says anyway, then I don't think their beliefs are too credible. ;-)

 

[Free]

Free, I completely understand your point of view. I don't know what I would do in your situation, but I think it would be very difficult. The question boils down to either protecting your wife's health, or having as many children as you are able...that is difficult, and I think it must be up to the two of you to be led by the Holy Spirit in this area.

I think that you missed the whole point of why I mentioned she is on heavy medication. It isn't so much to do with protecting her health as it is not having children who are mentally and/or physically handicapped.


So, for all of those against birth control, which is the moral choice, the "righteous" choice: using birth control or having unprotected sex which would knowingly result in handicapped children?

And also, since so many seem to be arguing the whole "be fruitful and multiply" angle, how many children are we to have? In other words, what exactly is it that constitutes being fruitful and multiplying?

I think you are all confusing a general command to two individuals with a command to all, without any biblical justification whatsoever.

 

[Heidi]

I think that you missed the whole point of why I mentioned she is on heavy medication. It isn't so much to do with protecting her health as it is not having children who are mentally and/or physically handicapped.


So, for all of those against birth control, which is the moral choice, the "righteous" choice: using birth control or having unprotected sex which would knowingly result in handicapped children?

And also, since so many seem to be arguing the whole "be fruitful and multiply" angle, how many children are we to have? In other words, what exactly is it that constitutes being fruitful and multiplying?

I think you are all confusing a general command to two individuals with a command to all, without any biblical justification whatsoever.

Amen!

 

[Free]

Being against birth control was an accepted Christian practice until the "sign of the times" came upon us in 1930. The better question would be "why did Protestants do away with this teaching of the universal Church"?

And up to a point in time the Church found it acceptable to kill those who disagreed with them. When did God tell them to do this and why did he tell them to stop? Was God in it at all?

On to your question...

The Bible clearly tells us that children are a blessing from God. Are we to grieve the Holy Spirit by telling God that we don't want His blessings, but prefer to save money and buy a sports car??? What does God say about the rich entering heaven?

Here are some verses that talk about child birth being a blessing from God...

1) Married couples are to "be fruitful and multiply"; this is a blessing (Gen. 1:28; 9:1,7; 28:3; 35:11; Dt. 7:13-14; Ps. 107:38; 115:14; 128:1-4; Prov. 17:6; Ecc. 6:3).

2) Barrenness is contrary to blessing and "glory" (Ex. 23:25-26; Jer. 18:21; Hos. 9:11).

3) Procreation is central to marriage (Mal. 2:14-15).

4) Childbearing is so sacred that women are even said to be "saved" by it (1 Tim. 2:15).

5) It is God Who opens and closes wombs and causes a conception to occur (Gen. 20:17-18; 29:31; 30:2,22; Josh. 24:3-4; Ruth 4:13; Ps. 113:9).

6) Children are a gift from God (Gen. 17:16,20; 29:32-33; 33:5; Ps. 127:3).

Taken from compilation at : http://socrates58.blogspot.com/2006/05/ ... ainst.html

Psalm 127:3-5: "Lo, sons are a heritage from the LORD, the fruit of the womb a reward. Like arrows in the hand of a warrior are the sons of one's youth. Happy is the man who has his quiver full of them! . .

Regards

This is not a question of whether or not children are a blessing or that sex is the means of procreation, so I'll repeat my question: "Support this from Scripture. Support your argument that "Be fruitful and replenish the Earth" means that we are to never use birth control."

 

[Heidi]

Heidi,

I contend that you are wrong concerning scriptural reference to birth control. I even mentioned it in my previous post.

There was NO such thing as a 'pill' or a 'condom' at the time that the Bible was written. But there WERE means used to PREVENT pregnancy. MOST were likely considered sorcery of sorts but the story that I referred to was UNMISTAKABLY referring to a man PURPOSELY avoiding his wife becoming pregnant. HE DIED for his folly.

Your explanation is like saying that one should pray and ask for guidance before using cocaine. Or, one should QUESTION whether or not pornography is right or wrong simply because the Bible doesn't MENTION it.

It's THIS SIMPLE: We have been TOLD to place our faith and trust in GOD ALONE. When we attempt to CONTROL things ourselves we take AWAY from God's will and implant our own.

I am WELL aware that the world that we live in today has taught us to LOVE money and PLEASURE and SELF WILL. That is SELF LOVE and for those that FOLLOW this teaching there is LITTLE room in their hearts for God or ANYTHING but themselves. And that the churches have 'fallen pray' to this 'worldly living' is just another sign of how FAR we have veered from The Spirit. SO far that MOST are NOT even AWARE of what it TRULY IS, much less are they able to be LED by It.

As I stated previous; It's TRULY amazing how EASY we now find it to DISREGARD that which has been offered that does NOT PLEASE US. Choosing to follow OUR will rather than that of God and professing to be Christian the ENTIRE TIME. Kind of makes ya go Hmmmmmmmmm...........

MEC

Where does the bible say that we shouldn't use birth control? Verses please.

 

[jgredline]

Should a man and women who are both crack heads be on birth control or should they populate the world with crack babies????

What if a man with aids got married and his wife knew he had aids, should they have babies?

What about families that can't even support themselves and go and have 12 babies?

While I have never thought about this, I do not believe in anyway that birth control is a sin....Even abstaining from sex during the womens fertile time is a form of birth control...If the man pulles out before he ejaculates that is a form of birth control...

So Unless one is prepared to have a baby every nine months for the next 20-30 years, you need to think twice about calling it a sin......

 

[Heidi]

Should a man and women who are both crack heads be on birth control or should they populate the world with crack babies????

What if a man with aids got married and his wife knew he had aids, should they have babies?

What about families that can't even support themselves and go and have 12 babies?

While I have never thought about this, I do not believe in anyway that birth control is a sin....Even abstaining from sex during the womens fertile time is a form of birth control...If the man pulles out before he ejaculates that is a form of birth control...

So Unless one is prepared to have a baby every nine months for the next 20-30 years, you need to think twice about calling it a sin......

I agree. I think that every born again Christian should seek God's counsel on how many children they should have. And since the bible clearly states that a spouse should not deny his/her spouse sexual relations except for mutual prayer and time for God, then the only other option to not having more children than they can handle is birth control.

 

[aj830]

What about the sin of Onan? Was he not doing a type of birth control? He had relations with a woman only to spill his seed for the specific reason so she wouldn't have offspring. What happened to him? He was killed.

I would like to know what every one's view is on masturbation and homosexual acts? Staying on the subject of sex as a procreative act.

 

[Heidi]

What about the sin of Onan? Was he not doing a type of birth control? He had relations with a woman only to spill his seed for the specific reason so she wouldn't have offspring. What happened to him? He was killed.

I would like to know what every one's view is on masturbation and homosexual acts? Staying on the subject of sex as a procreative act.

Please cite the verse so we can see the context in which it was written. The bible is very clear about homosexuality. So that's a no-brainer. And Romans 14:20, says; "everything that does not come from faith is sin." So we are all up a creek without a paddle except for Christ's redemption. So let's rest on Christ's power and God's word.

 

[aj830]

Genesis 38:8-10

Then Judah said to Onan, "Unite with your brother's widow, in fulfillment of your duty as brother-in-law, and thus preserve your brother's line." Onan, however, knew that the descendants would not be counted as his; so whenever he had relations with his brother's widow, he wasted his seed on the ground, to avoid contributing offspring for his brother.
What he did greatly offended the LORD, and the LORD took his life too.

 

[jgredline]

Then Judah said to Onan, "Unite with your brother's widow, in fulfillment of your duty as brother-in-law, and thus preserve your brother's line." Onan, however, knew that the descendants would not be counted as his; so whenever he had relations with his brother's widow, he wasted his seed on the ground, to avoid contributing offspring for his brother.
What he did greatly offended the LORD, and the LORD took his life too.

A classic example of taking a verse out of context...

Onan knew that he would not perpetuate his own name, but rather the family of the deceased...He selfishly avoided conception by spilling his sead.... Not only did he fail to honor his dead brother, but also in taking his brother’s wife without producing offspring for his brother.....
The real sin here is that he was willing to take advantage of his brothers wife...
Really it is rape...Think about it.....This verse has nothing to do with birth control.....

 

[aj830]

Ahh yes, but look at Deuteronomy 25:7–10. The normal punishment for not giving your brother children was only public humiliation. Onan received death for his actions. Why? Because what he was doing was outside the natural moral act. He selfishly received the pleasure of the act without the consequence(possible children).

 

[Heidi]

Genesis 38:8-10

That verse has nothing to do with birth control. : Onan simply wanted the children to be his. So his disobedience came from not marrying his brother's widow which was part of God's law which has nothing to do with birth control. If he had married his brother's widow and only had a few children, he would have not broken God's laws because God didn't tell people how many children they were suppsoed to have. But God did tell the Jews to marry their brother's widow.

 

[aj830]

That verse has nothing to do with birth control. Onan simply wanted the children to be his. So his disobedience came from not marrying his brother's widow which was part of God's law which has nothing to do with birth control.

Yes this is true that he was disobedient, but the usual punishment for this was public humiliation not death. So what was different here? Onan used a form of birth control.

Here is the versethat deals with the usual punishment

Deuteronomy 25:7–10

If, however, a man does not care to marry his brother's wife, she shall go up to the elders at the gate and declare, 'My brother-in-law does not intend to perform his duty toward me and refuses to perpetuate his brother's name in Israel.' Thereupon the elders of his city shall summon him and admonish him. If he persists in saying, 'I am not willing to marry her,' his sister-in-law, in the presence of the elders, shall go up to him and strip his sandal from his foot and spit in his face, saying publicly, 'This is how one should be treated who will not build up his brother's family!'
And his lineage shall be spoken of in Israel as 'the family of the man stripped of his sandal.'

 

[jgredline]

Ahh yes, but look at Deuteronomy 25:7–10. The normal punishment for not giving your brother children was only public humiliation. Onan received death for his actions. Why? Because what he was doing was outside the natural moral act. He selfishly received the pleasure of the act without the consequence(possible children).

Yes, but if you look at the motive...It was never about children, but it came down to Rape....It came down to crimes against the Person. These crimes included murder, abortion, rape, and kidnapping. Each carried the death penalty...In this case God was the executioner...