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[JLB]

Foundation is apostolic eph 2:20

False!

Now, therefore, you are no longer strangers and foreigners, but fellow citizens with the saints and members of the household of God, having been built on the foundation of the apostles and prophets, Jesus Christ Himself being the chief cornerstone, Ephesians 2:19-20


Why don't you mention prophets?

 

[donadams]

Hi donadams

Yes, I can see that we both agree that Jesus only founded one 'ecclesia'. Fellowship of those who are called out for God's good purpose through faith in His Son, Jesus.

I'd say that's a good thing for us to agree on.

God bless,
Ted

But the question is who did he give authority to govern?

 

[donadams]

Blasphemy!

The Cornerstone is what the rest of the building aligns with, and is patterned by.

22 But you have come to Mount Zion and to the city of the living God, the heavenly Jerusalem, to an innumerable company of angels, 23 to the general assembly and church of the firstborn who are registered in heaven, to God the Judge of all, to the spirits of just men made perfect, 24 to Jesus the Mediator of the new covenant, and to the blood of sprinkling that speaks better things than that of Abel. Hebrews 12:22-24

We are built upon the foundation of the Apostles and Prophets, with Jesus Christ being the Chief Cornerstone.

19 Now, therefore, you are no longer strangers and foreigners, but fellow citizens with the saints and members of the household of God, 20 having been built on the foundation of the apostles and prophets, Jesus Christ Himself being the chief cornerstone, 21 in whom the whole building, being fitted together, grows into a holy temple in the Lord, 22 in whom you also are being built together for a dwelling place of God in the Spirit. Ephesians 2:19-22

Does scripture call the Church the Prophetic Church?
Nor does it call the Church the Apostolic Church.

We are the Church; temple of the living God.



JLB

Apostles govern the church with the authority of Christ

 

[donadams]

So there is more than one "rock" ?

Yes
Can you say: Jesus Christ brought forth our salvation?

 

[JLB]

Apostles govern the church with the authority of Christ

Please provide scripture for your theory.


Why don't prophets govern the church with the authority of Christ since they are also mentioned as the foundation the church is built upon?

Now, therefore, you are no longer strangers and foreigners, but fellow citizens with the saints and members of the household of God, having been built on the foundation of the apostles and prophets, Jesus Christ Himself being the chief cornerstone, Ephesians 2:19-20


Why don't you mention prophets?



Please answer these two questions with scripture.

 

[donadams]

1 Corinthians 3:11
11 For no one can lay a foundation other than that which is laid, which is Jesus Christ.

Then the rock Christ builds “his” church (not ours) is still Peter

 

[donadams]

Hi donadams

It could be you if you applied and understood the doctrine that the Scriptures tell us of rightly. The 'man of God' in this reference is anyone who chooses to follow after the Christ, the anointed Holy One. And he 'the man of God' does that by understanding and applying the doctrines of the Scriptures... rightly. This comes from much prayer and beseeching of God to allow us to gain our understanding through His Holy Spirit and His Holy Spirit alone, as we marry him into our study efforts.

God bless,
Ted

It’s the apostles who have authority in the church

 

[Tenchi]

Then the rock Christ builds “his” church (not ours) is still Peter

When you are determined not to know the Truth, no amount of it will persuade you to accept it. "There is no man so blind as he will not see."

The "Rock" and Foundation of the Church is Jesus Christ, the Chief CornerSTONE (Matthew 21:42-44; Ephesians 2:20), the ROCK of Offense (Romans 9:33; 1 Peter 2:4-8), the HEAD of the Church (Colossians 1:15-17; Ephesians 5:23), the Way, the Truth and the Life (John 6:44). Upon him and in him the Church "lives, and moves, and has its being" (as all things do - Acts 17:28).

It is quite disturbing to me to see someone claiming to be a disciple of Christ, a Christian, who willfully diminishes Jesus's preeminence over the Church, and who wants, instead, to invest fallible, ignorant, creatures with the power and authority. of their Creator. Yikes.

 

[miamited]

But the question is who did he give authority to govern?

Hi donadams

When did that become the question? Jesus didn't give anyone authority within his followers. In fact, he was pretty much against any hierarchy among the brethren. However, Paul did write about those who would take on the mantle of teaching a fellowship.

God bless,
Ted

 

[for_his_glory]

And we say on the person of Peter and the apostles

You can’t give the keys of the kingdom to a “confession of faith”
But to a person!

2 John 1:12
Having many things to write unto you, I would not write with paper and ink: but I trust to come unto you, andspeak face to face, that our joy may be full.

Apostles in person!

Peter is no greater than any of the other 12 Apostles that were sent out into the world, John 13:16. The rock means the foundation of our confessed faith in Christ like Peter confessed as the Spirit of God revealed this to Him. The keys of the kingdom of heaven is the indwelling of the Holy Spirit where we receive all power and authority through God as there is nothing we can do of ourselves as all things are , John 16:13-20.

You have to go back to 2John 1:1-3 before you can understand vs. 12. Vs. 1-3 being the salutation to the Church in Ephesus and read through this chapter to understand who John is speaking to as being the elect lady. The Church at Ephesus like all the body of Christ with He being the head of the body is referred to as being called the Bride of Christ. John is referring to himself as being the elder in Vs. 1 as he also does in 3John 1:1 who spoke to or wrote letters to the seven Churches in Asia Minor.

 

[Hopeful 2]

Yes
Can you say: Jesus Christ brought forth our salvation?

Sure, I can say it. ???

 

[for_his_glory]

Who is the “man of God”?

Man of God is a biblical title of respect applied to prophets and beloved religious leaders. The term appears 78 times in 72 verses of the Bible. Basically, the man of God is all who walk by faith and are used of God for the purpose of His ministry here on earth.

 

[donadams]

Hi again donadams

You know, I don't know if you've ever talked to one of the 'studious' atheists concerning the discrepencies, errors, contradictions and the like, that they find in God's word.

Now, these people have read that particular area and have thought of themselves to come to an understanding that we, believers, know to be in error. And you can point that out to them and tell them that there is going to be a lot of misunderstanding of what God is telling us in His word, without the indwelling Holy Spirit to give us understanding. But they don't understand that. They don't have a clue what is even being said when a believer tells them that they need the indwelling Holy Spirit for full understanding of God and what He has revealed to us. But they don't understand that.

But you may have talked to enough to know that they believe that what they believe is the truth. That's a hard battle to overcome in a person. But with much love and careful understanding, sometimes, a light will dawn.

My point here is that often times people without the Spirit of God have a hard time understanding the things of God.

Jesus began to build a 'church' upon the earth. That 'church' is the total body of born again believers living upon the earth at any given time. It is not defined by some religious hierarchy or ecclesiastical body of people. It is not defined by any earthly labeled denomination. Although there are some who make it harder than it needs to be. It is not the building down on the corner with the steeple on the top. It is not even the plot of land on which such a place might stand.

The 'church' of Jesus is the total of all born again believers living upon the earth at any given time. According to the Scriptures, there will be some from every tribe and tongue and nation taking part in the eternal promise of God for those who will trust and believe the testimony of His Son, and strive to live as he did when he walked among us. That is the church. It didn't start with anyone other than Jesus, although many faithful born again followers went out and began teaching the truth that Jesus brought to us. They were servants of God most high.

But the 'church' continued to build from that humble beginning on the day of Pentecost when the Holy Spirit was loosed upon the earth and given unto believers as their deposit guaranteeing their coming salvation from God's wrath. Many religious bodies have tried to take over and run 'their' church as they see fit to run it, but most of those efforts aren't a whole lot different than the efforts of the Jewish Scribes and Pharisees who thought to run the Jewish faith as they saw fit. Which Jesus pretty soundly rebuked them for.

Don't confuse the 'church' that is described in the Scriptures as some identifiable body of people meeting in a particular place or building. Don't confuse the 'church' that loves Jesus as only living under some man inspired edict that seeks to control their lives, apart from the Scriptures.

God bless,
Ted

Except your understanding of “spiritual church” is a condemned heresy!

Matthew 5:14
Ye are the light of the world. A city that is set on an hill cannot be hid.

Dan 2: 44 And in the days of these kings (Roman Caesars) shall the God of heaven set up a kingdom, which shall never be destroyed: and the kingdom shall not be left to other people, but it shall break in pieces and consume all these kingdoms, and it shall stand for ever.

Isaiah 2:2
And it shall come to pass in the last days, that the mountain of the Lord's house shall be established in the top of the mountains, and shall be exalted above the hills; and all nations shall flow unto it.

Isaiah 9:6 For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace.

7 Of the increase of his government and peace there shall be no end, upon the throne of David, and upon his kingdom, to order it, and to establish it with judgment and with justice from henceforth even for ever. The zeal of the Lord of hosts will perform this.

Micah 4:1
But in the last days it shall come to pass, that the mountain of the house of the Lord shall be established in the top of the mountains, and it shall be exalted above the hills; and people shall flow unto it.

Daniel 6:26
I make a decree, That in every dominion of my kingdom men tremble and fear before the God of Daniel: for he is the living God, and stedfast for ever, and his kingdom that which shall not be destroyed, and his dominion shall be even unto the end.

Daniel 7:14
And there was given him dominion, and glory, and a kingdom, that all people, nations, and languages, should serve him: his dominion is an everlasting dominion, which shall not pass away, and his kingdom that which shall not be destroyed.

Daniel 7:18
But the saints of the most High shall take the kingdom, and possess the kingdom for ever, even for ever and ever.

 

[donadams]

Sure, I can say it. ???

No you don’t understand, Jesus is our salvation!

Understanding is a gift of the spirit, ask and you shall receive

 

[donadams]

False!

Now, therefore, you are no longer strangers and foreigners, but fellow citizens with the saints and members of the household of God, having been built on the foundation of the apostles and prophets, Jesus Christ Himself being the chief cornerstone, Ephesians 2:19-20


Why don't you mention prophets?

They are the Old Testament prophets who proclaimed the coming of Christ

 

[donadams]

Please provide scripture for your theory.


Why don't prophets govern the church with the authority of Christ since they are also mentioned as the foundation the church is built upon?

Now, therefore, you are no longer strangers and foreigners, but fellow citizens with the saints and members of the household of God, having been built on the foundation of the apostles and prophets, Jesus Christ Himself being the chief cornerstone, Ephesians 2:19-20


Why don't you mention prophets?



Please answer these two questions with scripture.

Matt 17:27 It is Jesus Christ who identifies only peter with himself.
Not the other apostles

Jn 21:17 Peter entrusted with the flock or church

Acts 15:7 God chose Peter

Peter exercises his authority over the apostles in the church!

Acts 1:15
Acts 3:4
Acts 5:5 5:10
Acts 10:44
Acts 15:7

ONLY TO PETER CHRIST SAID: THOU ART PETER AND UPON THIS ROCK I WILL BUILT MY CHURCH, AND THE GATES OF HELL SHALL NOT PREVAIL AGAINST IT!Matt 16:18

Peter is the prime minister, father, and head of the church on earth until Christ returns Isa 22:21-22

Seat of peter remains Until Christ returns
Matt 16:18-19


Matthew 5:14
Ye are the light of the world. A city that is set on an hill cannot be hid.

 

[donadams]

Peter is no greater than any of the other 12 Apostles that were sent out into the world, John 13:16. The rock means the foundation of our confessed faith in Christ like Peter confessed as the Spirit of God revealed this to Him. The keys of the kingdom of heaven is the indwelling of the Holy Spirit where we receive all power and authority through God as there is nothing we can do of ourselves as all things are , John 16:13-20.

You have to go back to 2John 1:1-3 before you can understand vs. 12. Vs. 1-3 being the salutation to the Church in Ephesus and read through this chapter to understand who John is speaking to as being the elect lady. The Church at Ephesus like all the body of Christ with He being the head of the body is referred to as being called the Bride of Christ. John is referring to himself as being the elder in Vs. 1 as he also does in 3John 1:1 who spoke to or wrote letters to the seven Churches in Asia Minor.

Please Explain

Matt 17

 

[donadams]

Sure, I can say it. ???

It was the Virgin Mary who brought forth our salvation

 

[donadams]

Man of God is a biblical title of respect applied to prophets and beloved religious leaders. The term appears 78 times in 72 verses of the Bible. Basically, the man of God is all who walk by faith and are used of God for the purpose of His ministry here on earth.

Only the apostles

 

[miamited]

Hi donadams

Except your understanding of “spiritual church” is a condemned heresy!

Friend the entirety of the 'church' is held together by the Spirit. He is the guarantee that every believer is indwelled with. It is the work of the Spirit that we all (born again believers) made one.

Now, if you've got some bull or cyclical that confuses or obfuscates that truth, I'd be questioning that... and not what God's word says.

God bless,
Ted